(((plm))) i hope you are doing much better now.
larc, interesting thread.. especially coming from the man who used to stalk me just jokes .
(¯`·.¸the agents of oblivion descend upon the sane¸.·´¯)
How to spot a Sociopath
by larc 49 Replies latest jw friends
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plmkrzy
((((((Thanks bea))))))))
LOTS better.
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KD
There is a great book called, "Poisoned Blood: A True Story Of Murder, Passion, And An Astonishing Hoax", by Philip Ginsburg. This is an interesting story. My uncle actually worked with this woman years ago at a place which is referenced in the book.
This woman secretly poisoned her husband in Ohio to collect the insurance money. After he died she started on her daughter, but it did not work. She then ran off to N.H. and married a man there. She then got a job where my uncle worked. (Its been years and I forgot the exact details.) She, I think tries to poison her new husband? What ever, but she runs off. She quickly looses weight, changes her hair style and coloring. She then phones her husband and says she is her sister. She then moves back in with hubby as a make believe sister and got a job at her old company. People, including hubby were fooled for weeks. Soon several co-workers and the boss become suspicious and the rest is history.
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Nathan Natas
Plmkrzy,
Have you considered getting yourself a handgun for self-protection and learning how to properly use it?
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Rags
hhhmmm...interesting topic...kinda scary for me think abou tit...i am starting to wonder if my husband is a sociopath......
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WildHorses
Plm, does he still botherr you? If so, be very careful. There was a movie on LMN just last week about a sociopath who married two woman, and when the one left him and stood her ground, he killed her in cold blood in front of witnesses.
They are so into themselves that they think they do no wrong.
Lilacs
I don't want someone in my life I can live with. I want someone in my life I can't live without.
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WildHorses
KD, are you refering to Marie Hilley? If so, here is her story.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial7/hilley/13.htm There are lots of other stories on this site. I am into true stories, so I have lots of these sites saved in my favorites.Lilacs
I don't want someone in my life I can live with. I want someone in my life I can't live without.
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Plmkrzy
Hope your days are better than before - sorry for your massive problems. Sometimes the courts just don't see it - and usually it deals with women on the receiving end. (((((((((hugs)))))))))
larc
Thanks for the subject matter. All the professionals I visited strongly (some flatout stated) suggested that my dead father was a sociopath. One therapist later gave me one of her books to read about the workings of the sociopath mind - it helped to understand a little.
What I couldn't understand was the "Ted Bundy" personality style. So nice, or just quiet and average - and then do whatever the hell occurred to them - murder, rape, beatings, whatever. Like they're not sociopaths all the time.....just whenever.
This same therapist suggested I read about the Nazis and also the survivors of them. Mainly because of the high level of violence imposed on their victims. The Nazi soldiers/commanders had a relatively normal wife/children relationship - loved their children. But then, they systematically tortured and killed over 6,000,000 people.
Obviously, not all were sociopaths (as the Milgram study showed) - but it might be a good bet that some were, and were given legality to exercise their deviancy to the fullest.
Btw, once in a movie based on a true story, a highly intelligent guy had killed several people and then wanted to plead insanity because he had been tested before and was found to be a sociopath. The Court Appointed Psychiatrist tested him again, and concurred....but said he couldn't plead insanity just because he was a sociopath. Why not? "Sociopaths are just too common. Too many of them to be special."
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Lady Lee
I believe that my father was a sociopath. He fits all the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-IV
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The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder include:A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since the age of 15 years as indicated by at least three of:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviours as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. reckless disregard for the safety of self or others;
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behaviour or honour financial obligations;
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalising having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.B. The individual is at least 18 years of age.
C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D. The occurrence of antisocial behaviour is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.
-----------------------------------Until the day he died he abused every person who was in his life.
Compounding this from my father is the problem of my mother
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The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder are:A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, as indicated by at least five of:
1. a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
---------------------------And she fits all of it. It's a wonder all 5 of us kids survived our childhoods at all.
My father was never a JW and my parents had separated before my mother became involved. I think that the JWs certainly fed into her intense need to be better than others.
As a child we all easily identified our father as a sick man. But our mother portrayed herself as the selfless one, a loving mother who sacrificed so much for her children. In reality she walked out on us, gave us away and used us whenever it was convenient for her. She blamed us for the abuse in the home and blamed me especially for problems raising her sons.
It took me years to realize that my mother was also a very sick person. I spent a lot of years taking care of her needs. I spent a lot of years burying my anger at her so that I could take care of her. It was a huge relief when I realized finally how sick she was )and still is) and to be able to walk away.
It wasn't easy. In the beginning all I could do is speak my truth and not buy into her version of family history. Eventually the step away from her was larger and now it has been 3 years since I spoke to her.
My life is better this way - certainly saner.
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002 -
larc
Lady Lee,
Wow!! You really got hit with a double whammy. I am so glad you have recovered from such a difficult past. I bet that you are a very good counselor/therapist type person.
My wife's mother fits the description of the narcissist. I often wondered how my wife survived it all.