Frenchy:
...I asked questions which you cannot answer because regardless of how you answer them it will demonstrate your position and that is something that you cannot afford to reveal.
You are greatly mistaken.
Frenchy, I can answer your questions. Jehovah God, has revealed, shown me the real "answers." That is why I responded with Hosea 11:1 being fulfilled by way of the first century congregation, God's "Son." The answer is quite unique. You see, Frenchy, my "knowledge" comes directly from God. (See Isaiah 49:2; 50:4; 53:11) Some are on this board, know this. There are some people on this board, that have become greatly familiar with what I teach. They know I can answer.
Isaiah 49:1-6 says:
[1] "Listen to me, O you islands, and pay attention, you national groups far away. Jehovah himself has called me even from the belly. From the inward parts of my mother he has made mention of my name. [2] And he proceeded to make my mouth like a sharp sword. In the shadow of his hand he has hidden me. And he gradually made me a polished arrow. He concealed me in his own quiver. [3] And he went on to say to me: "You are my servant, O Israel, you the one in whom I shall show my beauty."
[4] "But as for me, I said: It is for nothing that I have toiled. For unreality and vanity I have used up my own power. Truly my judgment is with Jehovah, and my wages with my God. [5] And now Jehovah, the One forming me from the belly as a servant belonging to him, has said [for me] to bring back Jacob to him, in order that to him Israel itself may be gathered. And I shall be glorified in the eyes of Jehovah, and my own God will have become my strength. [6] And he proceeded to say: "It has been more than a trivial matter for you to become my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back even the safeguarded ones of Israel; I also have given you for a light of the nations, that my salvation may come to be to the extremity of the earth."
I am the one spoken of above. My teaching comes from God.
For instance, here is something that I said...in fulfillment of Hosea 11:1.
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The Greek word "Ek-kle-sia" which is derived by combining two different two Greek words together -- "ek," meaning "out," and "Kaleo" meaning "call."...Hence "called out..." -- See Insight on The Scriptures pages 496 -- Volume I.
So the English word "congregation" literally means to be "called out..."
RECAP ON FULFILLMENT -- HOSEA 11:1:
Thus, on this scriptural basis, we can properly say, with the creation and establishment of the, Newly Anointed, First Century "Christian Congregation" at Pentecost, Hosea 11:1 was indeed FULFILLED AGAIN. The actual fulfillment being God's innovative creation of a spiritual "Son"-Nation ... making it a "called out" or "congregation" [Ek-klesia] of people, and giving it full status of being a spiritual "Son," or "Nation," which can now escape from wicked "Egypt," or "Jerusalem" of the first century, with Jehovah's blessings. -- Exodus 4:22, 23; Hebrews 13:13, 14; Revelation 11:8
Yes, ancient "Israel," was replaced by "Spiritual Israel," in fulfillment of Matt. 21:43. So, the "Sonship" of Ancient Israel, was then, transferred, with the New Covenant arrangement, the new contractual agreement between God and His new "son"-nation, that is to spiritual Israel, the christian congregation...the New spiritual "Son" of God, who was now "called out of" spiritual "Egypt" the city and worship of the City of Jerusalem...the place the "Lord was impaled." -- Rev. 11:8
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You were not able to refute this fulfillment, were you?
I didn't think so.
So, can I answer your questions?...why yes I can. In fact, I can take this one step further, ... I assure you, there is no question, you have asked on this board, that anyone familiar with what I teach, those present on this board even, CANNOT ANSWER THEMSELVES, no question...completely and scripturally.
You are much mistaken.
BTW, Jesus did debate the Pharisees at times.
So, you want to "debate." "Debate" the scriptures...
But, Frenchy, what does the Bible have to say about such things? Are you really looking at things, spiritually speaking?
"Therefore I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hands, APART FROM WRATH AND DEBATES." -- 2 Timothy 2:8
What did the Bible say about "debates" above, Frenchy?
What did he say?
Jesus told the Sadduccees,
"You know neither the Scripture, nor the Power of God." -- Matthew 22:29
That is you, Frenchy... that is you and your "company."
...But you, sir, are not Jesus. I just thought I would clear that up for you.
Why of course not. I said I was a "christian," right?
A Christian, a follower of Jesus, a footstep follower of Jesus, a member of the New Covenant, like Paul, Peter and other faithful christians of the first century.
So, I don't think I'm Jesus...no, no, no.
I am the "ScapeGoat," ["Escape" goat] the SECOND "goat" mentioned, THE ONE THAT HAD TO BE "ATONED FOR," as specifically mentioned in Leviticus 16:10. "ATONED FOR" BY WAY OF THE FIRST GOAT, Jesus Christ. I am the "second goat," the "live goat," that was sent off into the wilderness, away from the WTS and JWs for a specific period of time, sent away, "ALIVE" to make atonement for Israel...that goat.
How could I be Jesus...why I realize more than anyone, that it was the "sin-atoning" factor of Jesus' blood itself, that brought me BACK TO SPIRITUAL LIFE... and made the SCAPEGOAT ARRANGEMENT possible.
Nothing happens, nothing, without the blood of Jesus, being involved.
So I do not think that I am Jesus. That would be foolish.
I am the one mentioned in Isaiah 49:1-6.
And guess what, I'm not going away, no time soon...a least, as for the Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation are concerned. No, I'm going to be here for APOSTATE modern-day "Israel", as the "Scapegoat," whether they accept or reject. So, get used to it. You are going to see a lot more of me...a lot more. That's before this whole thing is all over. Jehovah God will see to that.
I am pictured in the Bible, literally as the sacrificial entity that "escapes" or "flees from idolatry," the one that leaves the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses because of their practice of "apostasy." Hence, the designation of an "E-scape Goat," or an "E-scape bird." -- See 1 Corinthians 10:14
Actually, Revelation 3:12 speaks of first century christians, forcibly having to leave the "temple" worship or their time, or literally "go out from it" or ESCAPE it, to maintain their spiritual relationship with God, Jehovah. So, Christians too had to "leave," or escape the "temple" worship and arrangements during their day, as shown at Revelation 3:12. This is because of overwhelming, prevailing APOSTASY by the leaders of the nation, after rejecting Jesus. -- See Hebrews 13:13, 14
It is the same today, with modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses, and their "APOSTATE" temple arrangement led by the wicked "Man of Lawlessness," the Governing Body of our modern times. The time has now come for "Israel," Jehovah's Witnesses, to make their "escape", their departure, from modern-day "Babylon the Great", oppressive "Egypt" of our times, yes, modern-day "Jerusalem" of our times! Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses must "ESCAPE" from Babylon, as the scriptures say. -- See Hebrews 13;13, 14; 2 Thess. 2:3-12; Jeremiah 50:8; 51:45; Revelation 11:8; 18:4
Because of the PREVAILING "SIN", LAWLESSNESS, and OUTRIGHT APOSTASY being practiced by the Watchtower Society, Jehovah's Witnesses, entoto are in need of REDEMPTION from their "sins" practiced, under the leadership of the Watch Tower Society and Governing Body, as their leaders. Yes, the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses, all of them, are in need of FORGIVENESS for their heinous practice of sin, IDOLATRY. Footstep followers of Christ, "Christians," cannot "practice sin" and REMAIN under that Christian, Covenant Arrangement! No, they cannot. -- See Hebrews 10:26, 27; 1 John 3:4, 6, 9.
The NEW COVENANT, the one left us by Jesus Christ, is VIOLATED, BROKEN, by all of Jehovah's Witnesses, their practice of idolatry and worship of the Watch Tower Soceity and Governing Body members as "gods," in Jehovah's Temple Arrangement! We have been "MEASURED" and weighted out as being DEFICIENT, spiritually speaking, before our God! JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, as a nation. -- Revelation 11:1; 2 Thess. 2:3-12; Hebrews 10:26, 27
But, Jehovah God has provided. He has foreseen the danger, the outcome of this situation, long ago. He Himself, has made arrangements, for this situation, but only, only if "Israel," is willing. -- Acts 3:18, 21; Romans 11:26, 27; Revelation 10:7
The SACRIFICIAL "LIVE GOAT," or SACRIFICIAL "LIVE BIRD," that does indeed, have sin-atoning, sacrificial powers to take sin away! Specifically, from modern-day "Israel," the Covenanted-Nation that has offended Jehovah God, the ones who are truly in a Covenant Relationship with Him and are thus, "acting wickedly toward that Covenant," as Daniel 11:30 plainly says.
This SPECIAL SACRIFICIAL ARRANGEMENT, is indeed, EMPOWERED by the BLOOD OF JESUS.
Jehovah has provided, the "Escape bird," of Leviticus 14:51, the SECOND "bird" mentioned, the "LIVE BIRD" who was "dipped" [Greek Septugint: "bapto"] in the blood of the FIRST bird, the one that was sacrificed...Jesus Christ.
Thats who I am...scripturally speaking.
I am that one.
I am the one Jehovah God is going to use to make "ATONEMENT" for apostate, backsliding "Israel" of Bible prophecy. -- See Ezekiel 16:59-63.
ALL MODERN DAY "ISRAEL," that's all of Jehovah's Witnesses, 6 million strong, must indeed comply, yes, "Repent," and comply with God's New Arrangement, the "ScapeGoat Arrangement," for remission of sins, forgiveness or sins, or else, experience the full measure of God's Wrath, the "TRAMPLING OF THE NATIONS," the genuine "GENTILE TIMES" of Luke 21:24 ... some "42 months" of terrific, terrible, TRAMPLING, world persecution, by the nations of this world! God's Wrath upon all of "Apostate Israel." (Please see Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2; 12:6, 14; 13:5) You will receive, one or the other, as a "recompense" for your "behavior" or conduct. One or the other. -- Jeremiah 51:56; Matthew 16:27
I've been fully authorized by God, to call it like it is, following the example of Christ, yes to denounce the worthless, THE FAITHLESS of our number, whom seem to be plentiful on this board. And to commend the irrepressible of our number, THE FAITHFUL, among those us, Jehovah's Witnesses, who are are undeterred by the WTS, and are still, "full of faith." Even those who are righteous from among our number that are "Bible Studies," and persons of interest, who stand up for God's Name and show complete faith.
Luke 18:8 shows us what Jehovah is looking for in "Israel," ... Faith.
Really, anyone, who has dedicated their lives to Jehovah God, should never, ever think, that they can "backslide" from God. Even if the WTS does, Jehovah's Witnesses cannot. As God said, "Send MY SON away so that he can SERVE me. The WTS cannot stop this...as Modern-day "Egypt," or "Babylon the Great." They cannot. -- Exodus 4:23; Eccl. 5:4-7
So, Frenchy, Larc & Company, if you really, want to defeat me, yes, and in front of all of my misguided followers...
Why don't you show from the Bible, that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SCAPEGOAT, an imperfect person, chosen by God, to carry out this role I have outlined above. Now, that would be the best and quickest way to DISCREDIT me, I would think!
But, please do it Scripturally, using the Bible as your textbook...like mentioned at 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
Show us perhaps, that Jesus Christ himself, IS THAT SECOND GOAT, of Leviticus 16th chapter...thats what everybody else thinks... all the scholars, the WTS, JWs, just about everybody else. You are in good company...plenty of help, books written, and so on.
Now, you've got the weight, all the scholars in your favor. So, use it.
QUESTION: But, remember also to show, why Jesus, a perfect man, is pictured as the "second goat," the "live goat." Yes, WHY WOULD JESUS NEED TO BE ATONED FOR...Why, if he pictured that "live", second sacrificial "goat" ... a perfect man, who does not need any "atonement" for himself? How, could he picture the "second goat" and yet need to be "atoned for," as the Scripture clearly says? -- See Leviticus 16:10.
So, here a challenge for you. ... Now, you know I am "out there on the limb" with this one, Right?
So Frenchy, prove that, and you will have won the battle!
Who knows, you might even convince me to quit this nonsense and go home and "chill."
You never know...
MDS
"Behold it, you SCORNERS, and wonder at it, and vanish away, because I am working a work in your days, a work that YOU WILL BY NO MEANS BELIEVE even if anyone relates it to you in detail." -- Acts 13:41
Edited by - MDS on 4 February 2001 17:18:40