Blondie I was reading where you posted information from 1952 onward on how we are to treat disfellowshiped members of our spiritual and physical family. You posted information from the kms, WT and other sources. I did a search and can't find it, one of the tidbits of information said that if a brother or sister has contact with the "disfellowshiped member" they should be disfellowshiped too. I tried hard to find your information but I can't, can you please help me sister? TY $1,000,000 bucks!
Blondie can you help me find your research "How to treat disfellowshiped JWs"?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Newly Enlightened
I'm not Blondie, but I would like to help if I can...
WT 81 9/15 pg 24-26:
NOT SHARING IN WICKED WORKS
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All faithful Christians need to take to heart the serious truth that God inspired John to write: “He that says a greeting to [an expelled sinner who is promoting an erroneous teaching or carrying on ungodly conduct] is a sharer in his wicked works.”—2 John 11.26
Many of Christendom’s commentators take exception to 2 John 11. They claim that it is ‘unchristian counsel, contrary to the spirit of our Lord,’ or that it encourages intolerance. Yet such sentiments emanate from religious organizations that do not apply God’s command to “remove the wicked man from among yourselves,” that seldom if ever expel even notorious wrongdoers from their churches. (1 Cor. 5:13) Their “tolerance” is unscriptural, unchristian.—Matt. 7:21-23; 25:24-30; John 8:44.27
But it is not wrong to be loyal to the righteous and just God of the Bible. He tells us that he will accept ‘in his holy mountain’ only those who walk faultlessly, practice righteousness and speak truth. (Ps. 15:1-5) If, though, a Christian were to throw in his lot with a wrongdoer who has been rejected by God and disfellowshiped, or has disassociated himself, that would be as much as saying ‘I do not want a place in God’s holy mountain either.’ If the elders saw him heading in that direction by regularly keeping company with a disfellowshiped person, they would lovingly and patiently try to help him to regain God’s view. (Matt. 18:18; Gal. 6:1) They would admonish him and, if necessary, ‘reprove him with severity.’ They want to help him remain ‘in God’s holy mountain.’ But if he will not cease to fellowship with the expelled person, he thus has made himself ‘a sharer (supporting or participating) in the wicked works’ and must be removed from the congregation, expelled.—Titus 1:13; Jude 22, 23; compare Numbers 6:26. -
ÁrbolesdeArabia
@NE, that's the area I am looking for where the Organization put's someone who is helping a disfellowshiped person on par with a "apostate" or "wicked one sharing in their sin" another bold face lie not backed up by the Holy Scriptures. Blondie had a great list of all the doosies they come up with to keep the flock from hearing why a person might have left. Truth should be able to stand up to anything, the truth the Watchtower share's is like a lankey yellow and black spoted tomato plant or crooked scion attached to the cheapest rootstock. Peace NE and thank you!
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Newly Enlightened
Your welcome. I'm having difficulties with the formatting as you can see above by the small print. But there are a few
WT 70 6/1 pg 351-352
Question?
How should a faithful Christian act toward a relative outside the immediate family circle who has been disfellowshiped?—N.W ns
The next verse emphasizes the seriousness of this: “For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.” (2 John 11) This does not necessarily mean that a Christian who speaks with one who was disfellowshiped for stealing, for example, is himself becoming a thief, though that could easily occur. But by disregarding God’s counsel and talking to that one he is as much as saying that he approves of the thief’s conduct, as if it does not matter.
Thus we have established from the Bible itself the basic position of a faithful Christian toward a disfellowshiped one—have no fellowship at all with him, not even speaking with him. Now what if that expelled person is a relative?
Where the disfellowshiped individual and the faithful Christian are in the same family, living in the same household, such as a man and wife, other Biblical factors come into play. If the wife of a Christian man were disfellowshiped for lying, he still would be married to her; the Bible says that they are joined together as one flesh. (Eph. 5:31) In that case he would still have to care for her as his wife and a member of his household. This would involve talking with her about the daily matters of their life Yet, out of respect for the disfellowshiping decree, which severed their connection as spiritual brother and sister, he definitely would not conduct a Bible study with her or have fellowship on spiritual matters. (For more details, see TheWatchtower of July 15, 1963, pages 444-446.)
., WT 93 10/1 pg 19 pp 15 Regarding them, the psalmist said: “Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you,O Jehovah,and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you?With a complete hatred I do hate them.They have become to me real enemies.” (Psalm 139:21, 22) It was because they intensely hated Jehovah that David looked on them with abhorrence. Apostates are included among those who show their hatred of Jehovah by revolting against him. Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10. -
Newly Enlightened
This might be the one you're looking for: WT 1952 11/15 pg 703-704
Questions
From ReadersIn the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?—P.C.,Ontario,Canada.
We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. “Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee.”—Deut. 13:6-11, AS.
Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof.
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Lied2NoMore
Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family...
Isn't this an admission to the world that the WT god is limited and controlled by human governments...dare we say the same governmental authority that is controlled 100% by satan and his demon hordes?????
this is another point that passes unnoticed by mind numbed JW's that Jehovah the "all mighty" has to cower to mans rules
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
I was arguing with my brother who is not willing to read the older magazines for fear of being tricked by me. I was looking for the information where anyone who is socializing with a DF'ed member should be DF'ed after being warned by the BOE. You gave me all the ammo I needed to go back and try to buck horns with him. I know it's a waste of time but I don't want him to waste his life. He has been suffering from panick attacks and anxiety so bad he has had to stand down from giving talks for the last six months.
The overworking and underpaying job of super elder has nothing to do with his anxiety that is making him less functional at his job, what if he get's fired from a good job over all the stress created by the brotherhood of knuckleheads?
Thank you for helping, I am walking a dangerous path now that might end up with me getting DF'ed, how long can I stick my head on the chopping block? I am pushing my luck with family and I wonder when their loyalty is going to push the hammer down hard?
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jwfacts
I was arguing with my brother who is not willing to read the older magazines for fear of being tricked by me.
How can he be tricked if he reads it in the magazines?
All the quotes you require are at jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php
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rosyray
Not sure if this is what you were looking for from Blondie's post
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Newly Enlightened
Glad we could help. Wish you the best Aof A. It's not easy dealing with the mind set of this cult. If you need anything else let me know.
You can get the WT lib download on this site.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243812/1/Watchtower-Library-2012-download