Sex before marriage would eliminate a lot of unhappy marriages in the Borg...

by sinis 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    Most of the JW's I knew when we were teenagers in da troof got married too young because of their sexual drives at that age..........the young women as well young men.

    Often the boast was heard that they had conducted their courtship according the WT society's rules, ie chaperones or only group activites, & therefore it should be a good marriage.

    99% of their marriages ended in divorce, some very soon after the wedding!

    Sex BEFORE marriage may help to mature a person & aid them make valuable decisions about their suitability as marriage mates.

    On the other hand promiscuity is often harmful to relationships & the individuals health.

  • bigmac
    bigmac

    i got married at 20--after a very frustrating 3 year courtship to a born in. Both of us were virgins till thye wedding night. the marriage somehow survived 13 years & produced 3 kids.

    i wonder how many--in a similar situation to mine--( back then )-----are curious about sex with someone else?

  • jws
    jws

    Forget sexual compatibility and "trying out" their partner before marriage. What they need is to get it out of their system and treat it more casually, with no thought to marriage. And marry later in life.

    I'm only speaking from my own experience, but I would think that most people who try it for the first time would think it's great and they're compatible with their partner. Your first time is literally the best (and worst) sex you've ever had - at least with other people. You usually need a lot more and multiple partners to get perspective if you want to compare good and bad sex.

    Marriage should only happen when both partners are more mature. Right out of mommy and daddy's home and into a marriage isn't mature. They should live on their own and find out who they are before thinking about sharing their life. When you're ready and find somebody you want to share a life with, not just to get laid.

    Same as sex goes for dating. Whether or not sex is involved, dating needs to be more casual. When I was a JW (and maybe this was local), asking somebody for a date was practically like proposing. Maybe that's why I'm still shy at asking girls out to this day. Before long, couples are questioned about intentions and pressured to marry. And quite frankly, under the watchful eye of chaperones, I really don't think you ever see the true person you're dating. So, generally, boyfriends/girlfriends ended up marrying. If they broke up while dating, it was scandalous with what seemed like the whole congregation taking sides.

    Sex should be more casual. However, there is something to be said for marrying your first. It's a bond you share. Something special that you've shared with no one else and a major experience you have in common. Although that is hard to accomplish. Because finding the right one is so hard and so is waiting. IF you wait and find a person you're compatible with, it's probably an awesome bonus. I remember my first like it was yesterday. It was yesterday in fact - just kidding... The back seat of that tiny little car at the drive in with a worldly girl... Both virgins. Ah, memories...

    As for "trying it out" before marrying somebody so you aren't stuck with a bad sexual partner, well, I don't think I'm the only one to say things can change after "I do". And that great, frequent sex in the dating phase isn't so great and frequent later on. When I was a JW teen, I imagined sex all the time once I was married.

    I married after leaving the JWs and had no guilt about having sex before marriage. I even lived with my ex for a couple of years before getting married. Soon after the honeymoon, the frequency declined. The quality declined. And there were just some things she no longer did as willingly as before. They became Christmas and birthday or "I'm really drunk" things.

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    Sexual compatibility is important - and I am all for sex before marriage. Many of us test drive cars before we drive them.

  • Dismissing servant
    Dismissing servant

    Hmmm...JWS..a bit sad...I hope you believe in sex after marriage aswell! But you are probably right. This happens for a lot of couples.

    But nowdays almost everyone in the western world have pre-marital sex. This is a problem only in small cults and among immigrated muslims (muslim boys have sexual freedom, but the girls haven't). Anyhow..it's a new situation for x-cultists to adapt to.

  • outsmartthesystem
    outsmartthesystem

    Agreed. But remember, JWs live in their own little wishful utopia. They believe that if you work really hard at your marriage......and you "put Jehovah first".......then you will be yoked together as closely as possible and wonderful....blissful sex will surely follow. If it doesn't follow......then you must not be working at the other parts of your marriage or......gulp......perhaps not taking the ministry as seriously as you should.

  • Captain Obvious
    Captain Obvious

    Not determining sexual compatibility before marrying is a HUGE roll of the dice IMO.

    My JW wife and I have agreed many times that we would have rather lived together for a good couple years before getting married. And we dated for 2 years! Along time in Dub land.

  • outsmartthesystem
    outsmartthesystem

    "If one partner is selfish and uninterested in the other's enjoyment, or too inhibited to try new things, it's not going to work"

    Tis the problem amongst MANY JW marriages! The GB inserts themselves into bedroom practices....telling MARRIED couples whether or not they can engage in oral sex! Sex is almost made out to be taboo in this religion. There are stigmatisms all over the place. Wife wants husband to go to the local kink shop and buy a vibrator. Husband won't go because......"what if someone sees me walking in? I don't want to stumble anyone". Husband wants wife to wear a costume. Wife won't because......"weren't costumes associated with ancient drunken orgies and even Ba'al worship?" JWs have to be concerned about THEIR OWN MATE turning them into the elders for suggesting ANYTHING that could be considered an "unclean" practice. Being a JW CREATES sexual inhibition.

  • neverscreamagain
    neverscreamagain

    Exactly- Simply assuming that having sex before marriage would make marriages more stable, happy and enduring ignores the root problem.

    The twisted and distorted moral education provided poisons any natural and normal expressions that can a couple are going to experience together.

    Yet another example where the borg leadership (repressed, uneducated amateurs) completely screw up people's lives, and accept zero responsibility for their actions.

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    I agree with you jws.............asking a girl out was tantamount to asking them to marry you.

    Prying eyes & the whiplash tongues of some 'sisters' would soon be saying to the girl....'You need to ask him what his intentions are'

    This would build up the expectations of the young woman, she'd ask the young man, 'I need to ask you what your intentions are?'

    He'd say I would just like us to get to know each other better.

    He now feels under pressure to commit to a lifetime relationship.

    They have only been out together once............& that was chaperoned.

    Tell her you feel under too much pressure & you'll get a reputation for 'playing her along'

    Sister 'Whiplash' then feels it is her reponsibility to warn all other young sisters about you.

    This young brother is now in turmoil, he had finally summoned the courage to 'confess' to an elder that he was having problems with his atraction to other men.

    The elder suggested more bible & Watchtower study & more field service.

    They also prayed together, asking big ole Jah to help the young man in his fight against homosexuality. The elder asked ole Jah that the young man finds a nice young sister in the hope he could build a relationship & leave his unhealthy inclinations behind as other gay brothers had done.

    In her self righteousness Sister 'Whiplash' had done more damage than she will ever know.................I know because I was that young man.

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