Can one person make a difference? Need your help please.

by apocalypse 25 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  smiddy

  When that story first surfaced I didnt beleive it , I thought no way could they be associated in any way with the U.N....... And I had left the witnesses in 1993

  Then the initial denials by the WTB&TS

  Then the statement from the U.N. in response to all the letters inundating them from J.W.`s around the world ,words to the effect that the WTB&TS joined the U.N. as an N.G.O. in ( date supplied ) and terminated their membership in ( date supplied ) approx 10 years.

  As with membership of any organization you have to agree with abiding by their conditions of membership which they obviously did.

  Then the publication of THAT letter

  And only then did they start to back peddle , offering feeble excuses and justifications for their membership.

  If they did nothing wrong in being a member as an N.G.O. as they claimed , why did they resign membership once it became public knowledge ?

  That knowledge convinced me beyond any reasonable doubt that this religion is a phony/man made/a scam, and a fase prophet

  So dont beat yourself up

  smiddy
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  apocalypse

  Thanks for the responses. Remember though, that the the very first letter, the one that is now in CofC is what Hawkaw and I worked on. It is snail mail, a hardcopy.

  The letter that went up on the UN website was the upgrade. It was prepared later and for electronic dissemination. It was even more specific and was a rebuttal to Watchtower's lies.

  Watchtower said that they never agreed to the Criteria of Association for NGO's and of course the reason for that denial is plain, namely they would have had to agree in writing to the "principals and ideals" of the UN Charter. (hawkaw's work getting this, he is a bright fella having recognized this fact)

  So, Watchtower lied to the UN, claiming to agree to the principals and all that, but of course we all know Watchtower. Then they lied to all of us about the formal agreeing to the Criteria of Assoc.

  Paul Hoeffel asked that the first letter be disseminated to all who needed the confirmation, and of course we spread it wherever we could on the interent. But you all out there kept on calling the UN unrelentingly, the demands for specifics being more detailed after some had written the Watchtower for a comment and recieved Watchtower lies.

  So the continued phone calls to the UN created a need for the more detailed document right on the UN website. For that I give a big high5 to everyone out there who participated. (a one, the another one, then one one one one one)

  Just recently, I uploaded for dissemination, the correspondence emails that were ongoing between Stephen Bates (writer for The Guardian) and 'Brother' Gillies (Watchtower mouth) as I was in contact with Mr Bates during the big blowup. Mr Bates gladly provided me the correspondence. It is now on jwfacts along with my personal comments of the time. http://www.jwfacts.com/pdf/un-correspondence-bates-gilles.pdf

  To the Watchtower claim that watchtower was glad to have had this matter "brought to their attention", one has but to read the emails flying back and forth to understand the "veracity" of watchotwer statements. (I thank jwfacts for putting it up on their site.)

  I am feeling that one CAN make a difference. If one can, then do we need a big organization to go head to head with Watchtower? Call it whatever, but do we need one? If not a "need", then 'is there room' for one? Is it necessarily a bad thing?

  I personally believe that one must have love in their heart as a motivator for any of this work. And if that, then humility must play a part.

  I don't think it's enough to bulldoze Watchtower. Not that I wouldn't like to see bulldozers levelling the Watchtower. If I would see that, I would say "yep, that's about right". (smile)

  But I feel that any effort, if many would want to become involved together as a unit, this would have to be because we LOVE people, and JWs are people. I am still attending meetings, where I have to. I fake service. I am even serving the congregation if you can imagine it. (take that watchtower)

  Yes, after all these years. Why, because I am helping to hold family together. And while I am in Watchtower camp, I try to help people out. And I have helped some. I have one young 'brother' presently who has asked about the "UN thing" and he want's to see the letter.

  He must know a fair bit. I am not sure all of what he knows, but when I said to him that "certain relationships were cultivated that should never have been cultivated", he came right back with "you mean the UN thing"?? and I asked "you know about that"?? So I begain my work, hoping to help him and promised to keep it between us as his "wife doesn't know"... Sound all too familiar?

  Why am I helping him? Well, I love him, and anyone else who wants to better understand. To possibly be free.

  Whatever is done, let's try to keep love out front. Is a name starting with "anti" going to be the best we can do?
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  jgnat

  I'm a big believer in individual actions collectively making a big difference. I continue to volunteer for AAWA in the Support group. I have been treated with respect throughout and my privacy respected. What I have contributed matters, I know it. Even if it is helping a single ex-JW make their exit, that is making a difference.
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  Band on the Run

  I have made governments and corporations change policy with letters to the proper person. With LinkedIn, you can even learn the office culture and which person is most likely to be receptive to you. Speaking as someone who advocates and knows a bit about UN culture, I believe you underestimate what you did. Th e UN should not give a damp.

  Officials give me back stories orally. The reluctance to put anything in writing is great. You managed to get a written statement. The odds were stacked against you. My friends who works for the UN told me that the UN is cult city. Cults attract UN workers. Perhaps part of the reaction was to hinder a cults

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  Mad Sweeney

  I haven't done a lot in the big scheme of things but even still, I get an occasional PM from someone who tells me something I said or wrote that is archived on the Internet helped them. Yeah, one person can make a difference, and often does.

  That said, is it ever REALLY just one person? Links to the stuff I did are hosted on someone else's ex-JW site. The letter you obtained, apocalypse, was printed in someone else's book. Those are just two examples of individuals making a difference but with cooperation and assistance from others.

  It takes individuals AND it takes cooperation.

  Work to help others and keep paying it forward, everyone.
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  slimboyfat

  Can I read this letter online somewhere?
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  ablebodiedman

  . Deuteronomy 32:30 30 How could one pursue a thousand, And two put ten thousand to flight?
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  LisaRose

  You must be the change you want to see in the world - Gandhi
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  whathappened

  Growing up a JW and hearing what a god dishonoring organization the UN was and then later, learning how the Watchtower Society was an NGO member made me vomit in disgust. This is a very important part of Watchtower history.
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  Phizzy

  I had already left the WT when I concerned myself with the U.N membership, as a NGO, scandal. It amazed me to see the blatant lying, and confirmed me in my decision that to walk away after a lifetime in the cult was the right thing to do.

  I was at the stage where JW family were love-bombing me (quite out of character for them !) and bros were trying to get me to go back, I could have wavered and been sucked back in.

  Thank you Apocalypse ! Thank you so much ! Yours was a "Rosa Parks" moment, and has helped so so many to see the WT for what it is :

  Founded on and maintained by lies. The Tower of Lies deserves to be buul-dozed !