Another big hole in 1914

by leaving_quietly 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  leaving_quietly

  1914 is the year for two major events: the end of the Gentile Times and the beginning of the last days.
  
  The Gentile Times prophecy (Luke 21:24) is a supposition that the "seven times" of Daniel 4 had a second fulfillment, thus the 2,520 years prophecy was born with 607 C.E. as the starting point. We have long looked at the 607 date and there's been many who have documented why this is wrong.
  
  However, today, let's look at the OTHER end of the prophecy...1914.
  
  Luke 21 is part of the Society's weekly Bible reading program this week, so verse 24 was in there. Why this never dawned on me, I dunno... just too many other things floating around that are wrong. Anyway, there it is, Luke 21:24.
  
  WHAT IS THE CONTEXT?
  
  Jesus is here answering the question his disciples posed about the sign of the conclusion of the system of things. We know that well in Matt 24. Here is that same sign in Luke 21. Here's the surrounding verses . . . remember, this is part of the sign of the conclusion of the system of things:
  
  “Furthermore, when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21?Then let those in Ju·de′a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her; 22?because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23?Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people; 24?and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.
  25?“Also, there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and [its] agitation, 26?while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27?And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28?But as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift YOUR heads up, because YOUR deliverance is getting near.”
  
  Note, the comment about the appointed times of the nations comes in admist all the other signs regarding what we call "the last days". So, how is it that this ONE piece of the sign of the last days does not actually occur DURING the last days, but occurs BEFORE the last days begins?

  Please shoot holes in my logic. I really want to be proved wrong here.
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  Oubliette

  You're trying to make sense out of nonsense. Stop that immediately!
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  trujw

  Can some of the smart people on this site help explain their use of lunar years? They use 360 times seven to come to 2520 years not 365 why?
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  trujw

  Sorry wiki just said it 354.37 days is a lunar year once again this is the biggest set of bs ever. The gb must be the biggest con artists on the planet in solar or lunar years.
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  trujw

  How did God view the practice of astrology among the Israelites? ... Astrology , according to one dictionary, is “the study of the movements of the planets, sun, moon, and stars in the belief that these movements can have an influence on people’s lives.” w09 3/1 p. 9 - The Watchtower—2009 wait a second isn't this what they are doing?

  The Lunar New Year is also closely linked to astrology . w09 12/1 pp. 20-23 - The Watchtower—2009.

  The watchtower always speaks out of both sides of its mouth. No doubt they will reference these articles when 1914 is put in the crapper.
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  yadda yadda 2

  Yes, well that is one reason why many exJW's or spin-off JW groups (such as e-watchman) say that the appointed times of the nations is commensurate with the period of time, still future, called the great tribulation.
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  Bobcat

  Leaving:

  Good eye. The context argues that Jerusalem would start to be 'trampled on by the nations' at around the same time in "those days" when there would be "great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people; and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations." (Luke 21:23, 24)

  Here is how the WT does there little shift:

  *** w86 11/1 pp. 5-6 A Dream Reveals How Late It Is ***
  While giving his sign, Jesus spoke of the "seven times," calling them "the appointed times of the nations." He said: "Jerusalem will [continue to] be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." (Luke 21:24) A footnote in the Oxford NIV Scofield Study Bible (1984) tells us that "the ‘times of the Gentiles' [King James Version rendering of "appointed times of the nations"] began with the captivity of Judah under Nebuchadnezzar. . . . Since that time Jerusalem has been, as Christ said, ‘trampled on by the Gentiles.'"

  Notice the "[continue to] addition.

  In reality, heavy Roman persecution began shortly after Nero burned Rome in 64 AD. Before that the main thrust of persecution against Christians was from or instigated by the Jews. So even if one takes the reference to Jerusalem in a Christian sense, the fulfillment could only come from this point on.
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  steve2

  My great old Uncle Pelican sagely noted that "to fully understand what a lunar year is, you need to be a lunatic". This state of being - lunacy- comes pretty close to summing up the mentaity of a lot of the serious people who are "into" Bible prophecy.
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  unstopableravens

  the last days started in the first centry look at these verse 2 tim 3 whole chapter paul is comparing things tim will see to pauls own conduct within the church, next hebrews 1:1;2 look at any bible than compare the kingdom interliner, than joel 2:28;29 is a prophecy about the last days, notice when peter said this was fullfilled at acts 2:14-21, than look at 1 peter 1:19:20, than compare danail 12:4 to eph 3:1-11 verse 5 is clear , it comes down to this when jesus left he said the holy spirit would come and guide ppl into truth, ohh and i forgot 2 john 2:18 he says "is" not will be .
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  cantleave

  the last days started in the first centry

  Bloody hell! They is Looooooong days!