cant leave : its the time from his going to heaven until his return, thoses verses are very clear.
Another big hole in 1914
by leaving_quietly 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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MrFreeze
Well what has Jesus been doing this whole time?
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leaving_quietly
Oubliette, LOL!!!! (I know, I know... I just can't help myself... I have to "prove to myself" these things.)
Bobcat... my understanding is that where WTS inserts [continue to] (NWT simply says "will be") could be correct. In other research I've done, the Greek word used (Strong's 1510) has several meanings, thus is a bit of a challenge to translate. One of the meanings carries an idea of 'is and will be'. Actually, here's a snippet from the Strong's definition (http://biblesuite.com/greek/1510.htm):
b. so as to indicate continuance in any act or state (Buttmann, 310f (266)): ?ν διδ?σκων was accustomed to teach, Mark 1:22; Luke 4:31; Luke 19:47; ?ν (T Tr text WH ?λθεν) κηρ?σσων, Mark 1:39; Luke 4:44; ?σαν νηστε?οντες held their fast, Mark 2:18; ?σαν συλλαλο?ντες were talking, Mark 9:4;?ν συγκ?πτουσα, Luke 13:11; ?ν θ?λων, Luke 23:8; ?ν προσδεχ?μενος, Mark 15:43 (Luke 23:51 προσεδ?χετο); once in Paul, Galatians 1:23 ?σαν ?κο?οντες, with the future (cf. Buttmann, 311 (267)): ?σται δεδεμ?νον, ?σται λελυμ?νον, equivalent to shall remain bound, shall remain loosed, Matthew 16:19; ?σται πατουμ?νη shall continue to be trodden down, Luke 21:24, and other examples c. to signify that one is in the act of doing something: ?ν ?ρχ?μενον was in the act of coming, John 1:9 (cf. Meyer edition Weiss at the passage); ?ν ?ποστρ?φων, Acts 8:28.
So, in this case, I don't fault the Society for inserting [continue to] there. It gives the idea that at the time Jesus said this, Jerusalem was already being trodden down by the nations, which was true since at that time, the Romans were the governing authority, and Jerusalem had no king.
However, for it to be fulfilled BEFORE the last days started (or at least at the very start of the last days) does not make sense in the context.
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Larsinger58
The consensus and understanding of some is that the reference in Luke to Jerusalem is not part of the signs of the last days or the last generation but it comes BEFORE these things. Note Luke:
10 Then he went on to say to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another pestilences and food shortages; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.
12 “But before all these things people will lay their hands upon YOU and persecute YOU, delivering YOU up to the synagogues and prisons, YOU being haled before kings and governors for the sake of my name. 13 It will turn out to YOU for a witness. 14 Therefore settle it in YOUR hearts not to rehearse beforehand how to make YOUR defense, 15 for I will give YOU a mouth and wisdom, which all YOUR opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute. 16 Moreover, YOU will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of YOU to death; 17 and YOU will be objects of hatred by all people because of my name. 18 And yet not a hair of YOUR heads will by any means perish. 19 By endurance on YOUR part YOU will acquire YOUR souls.
20 “Furthermore, when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.Thus Matthew and Mark mention Daniel and th one-time event great tribulation, which was the Holocaust. Luke also relates details of that sermon but is the only gospel mentioning Jerusalem specifically and he specifies that the desolating of Jerusalem will occur "BEFORE the previously mentioned signs. Thus the desolating of Jerusalem is not part of the one-time great tribulation which occurs during the end-times. The desolation of Jerusalem is not part of the signs of the last days, but occurs before then.
So there is no conflict. The one-time event of the "great tribulation" that never happened before nor would happen again, thus an event that would stand out and shock the world was the Holocaust. Notably aimed at Jews and JWs who serve as God's "holy ones" or "chosen ones." There was a specific focus on Jews and JWs by the Nazis, thus fulfilling the "disgusting thing in a holy place that causes desolation."