Kermit Gosnell, MD. (page 4)

Glander

BizzyBee "... is typical in red states..."

On what basis is a state determined to be red or blue? and the word "typical" would seem to imply more than just the state of Mississippi.

This is called "making stuff up"

I have not asserted that there were "dots" between PP and Gosnell. Re-read my post. I just asked what PP's position was on the Gosnell case? The rabid libs took it from there.

As far as pro-life supporters "underhandedly preventing the... [abortion laws from being applied...]" I call another example of "making stuff up."

BizzyBee

Then there is the category of being "ill-informed" - ie., the idea of the earth being spherical might seem to be "making stuff up" to someone who believes that the earth is flat.

If you don't understand the fact that anti-abortionists have, for years, used every trick in the book to thwart Roe V. Wade - unconstitutional legislation, physical threats, psychological intimidation, up to and including outright murder (backing up threats with action) - then this information might seem so unbelievable as to be like "making stuff up."

But - if you are fairly well-informed and aware of current events - none of this is new news.

P.S. Is there anyone left on the planet who does not understand the difference between red and blue states?

Red states and blue states refer to those states of the United States whose residents predominantly vote for the Republican Party (red) or Democratic Party(blue) presidential candidates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red_state,_blue_state.svg

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Glander's aides were hearing the babies screaming in the "Killing Room" and nobody was doing a thing. This guy is a murdering bastard who I hope will burn in Hell if there is a Hell!

If you want to get really gory and see how we are currently in a chapter of "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley, Isreal has been taking the eggs from aborted female babies and trying to inseminate parents with problems conceiving. Isreal is also using the eggs they harvest from dead babies to grow in their petri-dishes. How far we head down the lane of No Morals, No God and Anything Goes!

Where do ethics come into the world of medicine? We use to have a doctor killing a 5lb baby (Partial Birth Abortion) as they try to save a 2lb baby in some Nick-ER. The Chinese have learned the gruesome methods of killing infants for thousands of years (Drowning Pools), Exposure to the Sun and Vulutres, do some homework on the Chinese Government who force mothers to kill their babies even if they are seven to nine months into the pregnancy. Mothers are told to pay off the local offices $3000 US and he will look the other way even though the second child will never have rights and gain citizenship in some Chinese Providences!

When a human compares the ruthlessness of the Chinese who will drag mothers out of their houses screaming and force them to abort their child, it gives you even more respect for countries like India who might seem bad now but have a higher regard for life.

BizzyBee

I just asked what PP's position was on the Gosnell case?

Why not ask - "what is PP's position on ground turkey with feces? The West, Texas fertilizer explosion? The Bangladesh factory collapse - with nearly 400 dead"?

BizzyBee

Update: 430.

Glander

Arboles - Glander's aides were hearing the babies screaming in the "Killing Room" and nobody was doing a thing...

?? I don't understand the reference...

At first my thread on this subject seemed to have a consensus across political philosophy that the Gosnell crimes were indefensable. But has been crudely steered into the usual partisan comfort zone of adversarial rock throwing.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Glander's you asked "Where was planned parenthood?"

What part of "his aides could hear the babies crying in his killing room" is problematic for you? Who do you think put's these nurses and doctors aides in these positions? Planned Parenthood has a network of connecting or developing contacts in College with various Ultra-Left Nursing Schools. When my nephews were graduating from "Nursing School" in UC Davis, guess who showed up and offered them a job? The "head hunters" for Planned Parent Hood! Do you get what I am saying? They know what is going on, some of the aids contacted the police, doctors and told what is going on.

Planned Parenthood has pushed for Partial-Birth Abortions almost up to the day of delivery if the Mother change's her mind. We can go further with this, I enjoy the debate on radical abortion procedures and I can get some of the photos I used in 1997 for a presentation on this heinous act!

How can anyone in their right mind justify the killing of a Seven or Eight Month baby and try to save a 19oz baby in some NckU?

james_woods

Yeah, drew, it is not so much about blaming pro-lifers (who mean well, I'm sure) as it is about connecting the dots - i.e., unintended consequences: if pro-lifers are successful, there will be disastrous consequences.

OK - I am again going to shock the people on the website by agreeing with BizzyBee and Beks on the topic in this limited sense:

If the hard pro-lifers succeed in completely outlawing abortion, then we will have abortion by back-room abortionists who are essentially butchers in hiding, and things will be worse.

If the hard pro-lifers succeed in intimidation of inspection of such abortion facilities (and here I mean in the negative sense - causing a backwards reaction AGAINST inspections by intimidation of abortion in general - (think about it)) - then this kind of horror will be automatically repeated.

I do not like abortion. I do not think it should be used as a general form of birth control.

However, it is a reality in this society - therefore, it should be done as humanely and as safely as possible.

NOW - a note to the far left: If abortion is reality and should be made as safe and humane as possible, (but NOT banned) then so are guns a reality. Comments?

soontobe

If the hard pro-lifers succeed in completely outlawing abortion, then we will have abortion by back-room abortionists who are essentially butchers in hiding, and things will be worse.

And yet, in a very permissive place like Philly, we nevertheless have butchers like Gosnell.

And really, what's the ethical difference in cutting a baby's neck with scissors outside the womb as opposed to inside it?

This whole issue also reminds me of Obama's votes on the matter of infants still living after an abortion when he was a state senator in IL. Mr. "If it saves one child's life."

soontobe

Why not ask - "what is PP's position on ground turkey with feces? The West, Texas fertilizer explosion? The Bangladesh factory collapse - with nearly 400 dead"?

Because those are stupid questions and you know that. PP has nothing to do with ground turkey, fertilizer, or factory collapses. However, it is the leading abortion provider in the country. It has everything to do with THAT, my dishonest fellow JWNer. Here in FL we recently had a PP spokesperson tell the state legislature to basically dump 'em in biohazard disposal if they come out alive. PP's opinion on this is a valid question. The stupid question you ask is not.

Kermit Gosnell, MD.

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