Kermit Gosnell, MD. (page 5)

james_woods

I will give you my own personal standards, soontobe (a compromise, you must understand, I dislike all abortion but am practical):

Abortion past four months of pregnancy should be against the law.

Doing abortions past that term should be a medical malpractice and a lessor felony which forfeits the medical license.

Doing a killing of a viable (post-birth) infant (which Gosnell obviously did) should be first degree murder and prosecuted as such.

The pregnant mothers should be immune from charges unless they give birth to an infant and kill it voluntarily by action or neglect.

I don't like the above very much, but dislike other standards far more.

Thank's for a reasonable compromise James Wood, when I saw my first Partial-Birth Abortion on a Six to Seven Month old child! I was sick to my stomach and asked is this not murder? How can you put someone in jail for manslaughter for killing a baby in the womb, while another person (doctor) is able to kill a baby past five months? Where do you draw the line and how do we create ethics so we don't loose our humanity?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g46hlT_2804

Planned Parenthood Desires to Kill Babies Surviving Botched Abortions

Barbaric? That's who they are. The Hard Left, of which Obama is a hard-core member, has no respect for life. We've seen that over and over.

Just look at the brutal practice of partial-birth abortion.

Liberals are champions for that cause. So, if partial-birth abortion does not horrify them, why should we think they would be upset by the thought of killing babies who survived botched abortions? We already know that Obama wanted to let such babies die without medical treatment, and the Democratic Party chose Obama to represent them, which tells us a lot about their values, or perhaps, I should say, lack of values.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

How do we embedd the video into the thread? This video is a great warm up to those who do not know what a Partial-Birth Aboriton is and how the Doctor kills the baby!

How come the Watchtower has never protested against Abortion or protecting the poor but in France they got all the brothers and sisters together to protest the French Taxation of their money (contributions). Why?

The Chinese Regional Rulers have been forcing abortions on a woman with more than one kid, unless you can afford the Bribe of $3500 USD your kid will probably die! This was exposed by a Christian Group who brought this crazy story to the World, Christians in China who exposed this evil act, where is the Watchtower when it comes to generating the rights of the Human Mother and Child? Too worried to care as they preach of something better, they really are "more talk and less action!"

"http://abcnews.go.com/International/forced-abortion-china-prompts-apology-officials-suspended/story?id=16579517#.UYLv0bXrwx4

"Three Chinese officials have been suspended and the government has apologized to a young Chinese woman, Feng Jianmei, after she was forced to abort her child seven months into the pregnancy due to China's one-child limit law. Graphic images of the mother and the lifeless body of the baby sparked public uproar when they surfaced online.

On Monday in Zhenping City, located in China's Shanxi Province, Feng's husband, Deng Ji Yuan, worried about the fragile state of his wife, who was in the hospital after she was forced by local authorities to have an abortion. Deng says his wife was seven months pregnant at the time. Graphic photos posted online by a Chinese activist group show what appears to be Feng in a hospital bed immediately following the procedure. Next to her is the small, lifeless body of her aborted baby.

Feng already has one child and Deng said that because of this, according to Family Planning authorities they are in violation of China's one-child policy. How much the couple wants to or can support a second child has no bearing on the rule of law.

News of Feng's forced abortion started to spread..."

other linke is based on previous post link.

Planned Parenthood Desires to Kill Babies Surviving Botched Abortions

Barbaric? That's who they are. The Hard Left, of which Obama is a hard-core member, has no respect for life. We've seen that over and over.

Just look at the brutal practice of partial-birth abortion.

Liberals are champions for that cause. So, if partial-birth abortion does not horrify them, why should we think they would be upset by the thought of killing babies who survived botched abortions? We already know that Obama wanted to let such babies die without medical treatment, and the Democratic Party chose Obama to represent them, which tells us a lot about their values, or perhaps, I should say, lack of values.

BizzyBee

Bull crap.

Berengaria

Liberals are champions for that cause. So, if partial-birth abortion does not horrify them, why should we think they would be upset by the thought of killing babies who survived botched abortions? We already know that Obama wanted to let such babies die without medical treatment, and the Democratic Party chose Obama to represent them, which tells us a lot about their values, or perhaps, I should say, lack of values.

Ignorance.

If you want to talk lack of values and party affiliation, look at the Mariana Islands, and the sweat shops/prostitution/forced abortions...................etc. etc. etc. and the GOP involvement. Oh but hey, it's ok, cuz it's just Capitalism at work.

Berengaria

As for PP having an opinion on Gosnell, I have a totally relevant question per this standard.

What does the American Dental Association have to say about Dentists raping their patients??? Have they taken a stand??

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=dentist+rapes+patient&oq=dentist+rapes+patient&gs_l=serp.12...11468.11468.0.17405.1.1.0.0.0.0.531.531.5-1.1.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.YkLh8VVDfPM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=1ef50bfbabe28cd8&biw=1280&bih=828

Glander

If you want to talk lack of values and party affiliation, look at the Mariana Islands, and the sweat shops/prostitution/forced abortions.

WTF are you talking about? Silly goof.

No chance of any dialogue when the nitwit sisters get going.

Bye

james_woods

We should separate religious beliefs from this issue.

This is really a human rights issue.

There are human rights for BOTH the mother and the child.

If this were a societal issue (as the Chinese have made it), the (enforced) abortion is certainly the lowest and most humanly insensative style of birth control which can be imagined.

It should also be mentioned that the widespread view of the Catholic Church - the prevention of ANY form of modern birth control - is also at some blame for the number of abortions done in modern society.

I think that all reasonable people, liberal or conservative alike (without the religious overtones) would say that the birth control pill (or other non-invasive means) is far to be preferred to the brutal practice of abortionists such as "Dr." Gosnell and his unfortunate and largely innocent victems - (both the mothers and the children).

BTW - Hello again to Beks and Bizzy. I told you I would probably be shocking you from time to time.

mamochan13

I used to be 100 percent against abortion. I"ve come a long way. I now support my daughter when she aborted the child at 3 months that she conceived with the abusive asshole who tried to kill her.

But my first question, to James Woods. So you are going to set an arbitrary 4 months standard. What about the fetus at 3 months and 29 days? How can you differentiate?

My second question. This "doctor" was killing babies who were supposedly viable. What is viable has changed markedly in recent years. Yet, doctors are saving these supposedly viable babies and many end up severly disabled, with no quality of life, basically taxing the life out of the parents and placing a huge drain financially on society.

My third, back to James. Yes. I agree religion needs to stay out. But how do you decide on the limits of the human rights?

I'll toss in a fourth. Is it better to force a mother who desperately wants rid of that child to give birth or is it better to give her an out? I'm guessing many of this "doctors" patients were poor and unable to fathom raising a child.

So should the abortion laws be changed so that any fetus killing is sanctioned until the actual point of birth? Where do you draw the line?

Kermit Gosnell, MD.

Planned Parenthood Desires to Kill Babies Surviving Botched Abortions

Planned Parenthood Desires to Kill Babies Surviving Botched Abortions

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