The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

by Dogpatch 59 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Wulf
    Wulf

    Actually Randy's discussion of Gene Smalley and the blood issue is a good example of decisions being made concerning core JW doctrine and practice against the legal department on behalf of ideological (and ultimately cynical) reasons.

    Of course things can change especially if the org comes into serious legal problems, but the point is it's entirely possible to imagine invisible powerful influencers who are not in the legal department or the financial side of things, but hold authority because of insider status and tradition. Or you might get one or two members of the GB who hold disproportionate power and have associates outside the GB.

    The question of who are currently calling the shots in terms of all the doctrinal adjustments etc is certainly a valid and intriguing one in my mind.

  • metatron
    metatron

    I notice that this issue - of a hidden governance of the Watchtower - has been brought up before and Randy doesn't reply.

    That fact puzzles me. I recognize the hard work and selfless devotion Randy has shown - that makes me all the more puzzled.

    I also wonder - if a Director CANNOT transfer his position to any heirs AND if said Directors are too old to really enjoy the $ generated from this con game ( the best food, the best whores, etc.) then why bother?

    And if this goverance goes unmentioned by Ray Franz, that suggests it's baloney.

    Still wondering,

    metatron

  • blondie
    blondie

    Ray was asked to leave Bethel in 1980.

    *** km 8/80 p. 2 Announcements ***

    This is a notification that Raymond Victor Franz is no longer a member of the Governing Body and of the Brooklyn Bethel family as of May 22, 1980.

    In 1992 the WTS introduced the concept of the non-anointed men at Bethel corresponding to the Nethinim or "given ones."

    *** w92 4/15 pp. 16-17 pars. 20-21 Jehovah’s Provision, the “Given Ones” ***

    All the non-Israelites who returned from exile in ancient Babylon parallel the other sheep who now serve with the remnant of spiritual Israel. What, though, of the fact that the Bible singles out the Nethinim and the sons of the servants of Solomon? In the pattern the Nethinim and the sons of the servants of Solomon were given privileges beyond those of other non-Israelite returnees. This could well foreshadow that God today has extended privileges and added duties to some mature and willing other sheep.

    21 The Nethinim’s added privileges were linked directly to spiritual activities. The sons of the servants of Solomon evidently received administrative responsibilities. Similarly today, Jehovah has blessed his people with “gifts in men” to care for their needs. (Ephesians 4:8, 11, 12) Included in this provision are many hundreds of mature, experienced brothers who share in ‘shepherding the flocks,’ serving as circuit and district overseers and on Branch Committees at the Watch Tower Society’s 98 branches. (Isaiah 61:5) At the world headquarters of the Society, under the direction of “the faithful steward” and its Governing Body, capable men receive training to help in preparing spiritual food supplies. (Luke 12:42)

    *** w92 4/15 p. 17 par. 22 Jehovah’s Provision, the “Given Ones” ***

    Today, however, the remnant of spiritual Israel on earth must go on decreasing. (Contrast John 3:30.) Finally, after the demise of Babylon the Great, all 144,000 ‘sealed ones’ will be in heaven for the marriage of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:1-3; 19:1-8) But now the other sheep must go on increasing. The fact that some of them, comparable to the Nethinim and the sons of the servants of Solomon, are now being assigned weighty responsibilities under the oversight of the anointed remnant does not cause them to be presumptuous or feel self-important. (Romans 12:3) This gives us confidence that as God’s people “come out of the great tribulation,” there will be experienced men—“princes”—prepared to take the lead among the other sheep.—Revelation 7:14; Isaiah 32:1; compare Acts 6:2-7.

    *** yb93 p. 253 Organizing for Further Expansion ***

    The members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, at present 12 in number, continue to serve faithfully in their assignments. They are always thankful to the loyal members of the increasing ‘great crowd’ for their zealous support. (Revelation 7:9, 15) In view of the tremendous increase worldwide, it seems appropriate at this time to provide the Governing Body with some additional assistance. Therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of [five] of the Governing Body Committees, that is, the Personnel, Publishing, Service, Teaching, and Writing Committees. Thus, the number attending the meetings of each of these committees will be increased to seven or eight. Under the direction of the Governing Body committee members, these assistants will take part in discussions and will carry out various assignments given them by the committee. This new arrangement goes into effect May 1, 1992.

    I do believe that Barbara Anderson has mentioned that the articles in the publications aren't necessarily written/researched by the GB but by non-anointed brothers (and sometimes sisters).

    As to the involvement of the GB, I have talked in the past to some of the members about the responsibility of providing this info and was told by 3 of them:

    "The first time I see it is when it is dropped off in my room at Bethel."

    Can I believe that there is a group of non-anointed men at Bethel that have a more direct input, yes. I don't think many if any of the GB today have any true writing abilities and that the WTS operates more on a cut-and-paste process. Of course, Ray, had access to the information about the Nethinim and "given ones" in 1992 from the WTS publications and his contacts at Bethel. Remember too that FRED Franz died on December 22, 1992, and probably had long not been able to be the "oracle" of years past. So from 1992 there was a vacuum.

    Those are my surmisings.

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Randy,

    Glad you're feeling better and yes I miss your insightful threads! I do remember a while ago you had spoke of the invisible force who are really at the wheel of the WTS, but you didn't want to get into too much at the time. I did assume it was WT Corp. My other assumption is they are share holders of the WT Corp. Most likey ones who own bigger peices of the pie.

    Blondie,

    You just made an interesting reference. The GB say they are FDS because they are the ones despensing spiritual food. But the funny thing is they're not even the ones who come up with the WT articles/spiritual food! More mad spinning from

    So between the GB not really in control and not really coming up with the spiritual food....it's just more BS flowing out of the WTS. So much for new lite

    With the new lite changes these will be great topics to share with my family when a window of opportunity arises.....

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    I’ve been pretty skeptical about any “secret cabal of WT puppet masters” theories.

    The suggestion that the WT leadership would bend their collective knee to anyone is just too much of a stretch (it just sounds a bit too Alex-Jones-ish… now that I think about it, I’m surprised Rick Fearon at SixScreens hasn’t taken this ball and run with it, frankly).

    At first, Randy’s allegations seem to fly in the face of everything we’ve heard about the upper levels of the Tower up ‘til now, particularly when taking Jaracz’s iron-fisted rule into consideration. Not to mention that virtually every corroborated first-hand experience seems to support the idea that – at least in the case of GB1.0 – they were/are full-on True Believers™; hell, Ray Franz viewed them as ”victims leading victims”.

    Then I reread Randy’s post, and realized that he never really suggested that the GB are consciously serving some mysterious upper echelon, and then some of the other posts in this thread triggered a line of thought that hadn’t occurred to me before:

    What if the Governing Body aren’t so much being given marching orders…

    …as they are, rather, being played?

    Seriously, if a small number of individuals (there’d have to be more than one) were positioned correctly and really wanted to do it, how hard could it really be to long-con the GB?

    It wouldn’t even have to be an overly-organized operation; something most people tend to forget is that historically, authoritarian regimes are overwhelmingly incompetent, and when they start approaching their reasonable sell-by date (and it’s pretty obvious by now that the WTS has effectively immunized itself against internal progressive reform), what happens?

    Their clueless leadership often gets screwed over and/or ripped off by lower-level accountants and lawyers; sometimes disgruntled, but more often than not, simply unscrupulous (both of which surely exist at WTHQ).

    For someone to accomplish something like this, they’d probably need a foot (literally or associatively) in the legal, writing, and accounting departments. They’d know where donation money could be safely funnelled, and I highly doubt anyone on the GB has an in-depth grasp of the books.

    These same individuals would certainly know that any GB member they wanted to influence would respond well to any feigned deference affirming that they’re God’s sole channel of communication, and they wouldn’t have too much trouble framing increasingly extreme doctrinal decisions in a seemingly positive (New) light, whilst presenting plausible financial/legal explanations for said decisions (at this point, the GB essentially rubber-stamps doctrine and/or policy anyway; they certainly don’t seem adept at coming up with anything new and original).

    Virtually every decision the WT has made in the last decade (or even longer) seems geared to shore up the Tower for the immediate future, but to anyone watching from the outside looking in, it’s looked more and more like they’re repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot.

    So… who’s to say that that isn’t what’s actually happening, but manipulated in that direction on purpose, and the GB simply doesn’t realize it because they’re too shielded by their own echo chamber to see it?

    The WTS is staying the course with the pedo problem rather than fixing it, it’s demanding even more submission to its authority despite increasing passive resistance among the R&F (conscious or otherwise), the next generation that it needs badly is barely there, the revenue flow from the Developed world is plateauing, and it has thousands of lost or damaged lives on its balance sheet.

    And quite often, when embezzlers have decided that the teat was running dry and/or the cow’s headed for the slaughterhouse, they bugger off with the take and leave the patsies to their fate…

    The way I see it, the suggestion that the GB are unwitting marks who’ve been primed for a fall is, at least, plausible compared to some nebulous WT-Illuminati-style conspiracy theory.

    I can’t help but wonder if this is really what Randy is getting at…

  • Perry
    Perry

    But I am genuinely curious as to who Randy is specifically referring to. I can imagine the Adams brothers for example but ...

    Sorry....made me think of this. Now BTTT !

  • soontobe
    soontobe

    Randy is one awesome dude.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Sorry I often don't come back to my discussions due to lack of time... no mystery!

    Randy only doesn't reply if he doesn't visit here to see what comments are made. :-)) I'd be doing it all day.

    in response to:

    I notice that this issue - of a hidden governance of the Watchtower - has been brought up before and Randy doesn't reply.

    That fact puzzles me. I recognize the hard work and selfless devotion Randy has shown - that makes me all the more puzzled.

    This is so common in businesses and big organizations, it is certainly no mystery. Just because they are a religion, they're still corporate men with their own interests at heart, and will screw others as needed. Even if they wait 20 years. :-))

    You have to understand that there are several generations of men in charge at Bethel. The longer you are there, the less you "obey" their rules and mandates. It is a sign of either/or:

    1) You know the person making the new rule is inferior to you in position, and dissing them demonstrates they have no power over you and would be beneath your dignity.

    2) You know the newbies are just men like you, only wet behind the ears. What can they possibly teach you????

    A perfect example is in 1978 or so Dan Sydlik announced that all who come to the breakfast table should dress as if they were going to a meeting. How stupid, and it went over like a lead balloon. Fred Franz, vice-pres. at the time and table head, came to HIS REGULAR Bethel breakfast table the entire next week wearing the same old ragged T-shirt that said, "WHERE IN THE HELL IS McCOOK, NEBRASKA?" Just to show Sydlik (and 2000 others) who was boss.

    What was his message? The finger to Sydlik.

    This was actually quite common. Remember, this was before the Franz purge. The new puppet GB, who complained about having "no power" as did Henschel during a private Bethel elders meeting (300 elders at the time, I was one) complained about HAVING NO POWER, and Henschel himself said, "What power? We have no power!" in complaint. I was feverishly writing this all down it was so surrealistic.

    Obviously this would never have been said at the breakfast table. Only at a Bethel elders' meeting, which maybe one or two of you ever attended. So you never got to know the REAL gut feelings of the GB on highly critical matters. Same with Harley Miller, head of the Service Dept. before Jaracz got there. You have to read my take on that. :-))

    Fred Rusk, Colin Quackenbush, Knorr and F. W. Franz used to brag about how they were not drones, and had differences of opinion from the WT's official positions. Franz acted them out quite often, much to the amusement of the Bethel BA's (ones with "bad attitudes"). Freddy was a hero the the new boys and he loved it... but almost everyone disliked or hated Knorr. Yet they were Mutt and Jeff. Freddy was actually the truly EVIL one of the two!!

    Quackenbush (former editor of the Awake! magazine) told his little circle of admirers that he believed all the "anointed" were chosen in the first century. Knorr voiced doubts about 1975, and visited Cathedrals in Rome DURING services!! YOU would get disfellowshipped for that.

    God knows what Freddy told the salivating brothers who joined him in the sauna privately each week. The idea was disgusting to me to be near him, the old creep.

    F. W. Franz wrote the "God's Kingdom of 1000 Years" book (yellow) which completely reinterpreted the Society's meaning of Jesus' parables, and he was gutsy enough to give an hour lecture on it at a Gilead Graduation when it came out. (Franz had free reign to do whatever he wanted and no one could do anything about it.)

    During the first 30 minutes of his talk on the parables of Jesus in front of 2000 Bethelites at a Gilead Graduation ceremony, he talked the standard interpretation of the parables of Jesus according to the Society.

    Then halfway through, he declared it all to be bull$%^&, and gave an entirely new meaning to each parable, often the very opposite! Get the book and you'll see for yourself! I'm sure the Gilead lecture is recorded somewhere online as well, along with Freddy's rant at another Gilead Graduation in 1975 where he completely trashed the idea of a first century Governing Body, let alone a ROTATING one. (THAT deserves a snicker.)

    Freddy was Knorr's advocate and never paid much attention at all to the "new" GB, which numbered 18 at that point if I remember. As with all previous changes of leadership, the older ones developed class distinctions (Ruth and Naomi classes, etc.) and EACH ONE was a lesser position to the creeps in charge before!

    The oldies wanted to keep all the power they could, and still do. BUT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. Then you come under scrutiny and your cover is blown.

    Now they are almost gone.

    It's the same today... the current GB are looked down upon as ignorant by the older family leaders AND members, for the most part. They didn't hide their feelings about it when I was there, either!

    Each older family member took pride in their own pet interpretations (up until the 1979/Franz Incident). But the older ones enjoy being hidden in the background... they keep their power secret that way. Let the lapdogs (new GB members) take all the heat and cruel laughter at their stupidity! This was EXTREMELY common before 1979. And to be a Bethelite who knew one of the powerful oldies, and were part of their little clique, was a sign of great honor!! You knew MORE than everyone else, therefore you had more "power." You were not in a mindless cult anymore.

    Knorr brought in Jaracz from Australia to get back at the new GB for takiing away his power (notice Jaracz was always in the forefront then??) , but he was dying of cancer, blubbering down the hallway his last year (1977?). He bragged about how he started Gilead all the time. Freddy was pissed because after nearly 70 years as resident prophet, he couldn't get full control as President! But then they gave it to him, regretted it, and soon "whisked him away" from Bethel.

    The new GB (Henschel and Schroeder were the main spokesmen - Jaracz was head of the Nazi SS) wanted visible power. Power is a DRUG.

    The old guard could only operate their shenanigans from a place of secrecy, something Knorr taught them well. And they had absolutely no interest in impressing the lesser new GB members, whom they looked down upon.

    If you don't get it, then read stories of the aging leadership of large corporations - it's exactly the same. It is neither a conspiracy nor a secret to men in power.

    Randy

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  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    By the way Metatron, Ray was not immune to idiosyncracies, secrets, misinformation and crimes like other GB members. His knowledge of church history was dismal to say the least. I know that must sound MOST SHOCKING to you, but he was no angel or a scholar. Out of respect I'll just leave that one alone.

    All high-level members of such corporations and religions love their ego and power, and they do not share MANY of their secrets. Ray was a good guy, but he was a CORPORATE LEADER. I knew him personally as well. He gave my buddy's wedding talk. Up until 1979, I wouldn't have seen him as much different than any of the others (except Knorr and Franz).

    Kind of cold, humorless, full of corporate identity, and a healthy sense of entitlement.

    Not very bright, either.

    Hello? Did you pee in your pants?

    Randy

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Randy, you're in an iconoclastic frame of mind!

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