*lost*, I wasn't suggesting that mangy dog was a Hyena. The locals think it is the legendary Chupacabra. I simply posted a similar rash of sightings of another unusual animal in our neck of the woods.
Ancient mystery in New Mexico desert- Ancient Paleo-Hebrew stone
by Brother of the Hawk 33 Replies latest social current
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Newly Enlightened
Ok, now that I finally have my posts back. 10 is NOT enough! First off, 10 yrs ago Gojira & I started writing a fiction novel regarding ancient history, including the legend of Atlantis, phoenicians, Sumarian's etc, so we did A LOT of ancient civilization research. Including this area.
I don't know if the stone is a hoax or not, but just to share some interesting quick facts about a few things.
Sante Fe is the oldest U.S state capital. It was established in 1610. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe,_New_Mexico
There is evidence of people inhabiting this region since 2900 b.c. Chaco Canyon is a major central Native American ruins that is well known for its ancient observatory. So they watched the stars http://www.exploratorium.edu/chaco/HTML/canyon.html
The Rio Grande river was a major trade route. Even as late as the 1800's there are records of them having the large paddle boats on it. There is also the Salt Mission Trail: http://www.newmexico.org/salt-missions-trail/ I happen to live 5 miles from the Quarai Mission. But this was a major trade for the Native Americans and the Spanish.
Below is a picture of my personal finds on our property when we were building our house. They were found approx. 8 inches deep beside a circular rock foundation that was littered with pottery shards.
The surveyer/engineer that had to come and do our survey was the son of an archeology professor from the University of New Mexico, [ which he helped on many digs and did this as a serious hobby] I showed these 'Dart points' to, told me that the one on the left is the newer one. it is black obsidian and is fairly new at only 500-1200 years old. The one on the right he said was interesting, because of the material it is made from [I don't remember what he called it] but he said that one dates from 3500-5000 yrs ago.
With that in mind...
Hoax? Then it is even more amazing and miraculous because then that means that someone from PRE-Computers time knew the following:
"But there are those who think that a context does exist for the stone. James Tabor , chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, says that the archeological context is to be found at the top of the mountain, where there are the remains of dwellings and more Hebrew writings. The organization of the dwellings on the mountaintop plateau is reminiscent of Masada. But even more convincing to Tabor is the star map engraved on one of the stones that records a solar eclipse dated to Sept. 15, 107 BCE. That was the date of Rosh Hashanah of that year. All this adds up to a context compelling enough to rule out the possibility of it being a hoax , Tabor explained to me in a phone interview in February."
So think about this: Whomever carved those rocks had to have known about that solar eclipse and the position of the stars & zodiac constellations on 9/15/107 bce.
I correct the dates on our earlier post that the Boy Scouts cleaned the rocks in the 20/30's. It was actually the 50's. But still they were covered with lichens and the writing was inlegible. Lichens in this part of the Southwest are estimated to grow at approx. 1 millimeter per year! So do the math. A 6 ft rock covered by lichens in just a few decades? It would have taken longer than that to cover the carvings.
Jgnat: The tetragrammaton was not the Hebrew one we all recognize,
"The Hebrew letters are named Yod-Heh-Waw-Heh: ????; note that Hebrew is written from right to left, rather than left to right as in English. In English it is written as YHWH, YHVH, or JHVH depending on the transliteration convention that is used. The Tetragrammaton was written in contrasting Paleo-Hebrew characters in some of the oldest surviving square Aramaic Hebrew texts, and it is speculated that it was, even at that period, read as Adonai, "My Lord", when encountered."
The point to all of this? It could reasonably not be out of the realm of POSSIBILITY. That is all I am saying.
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*lost*
fascinating stuff NE
And I agree 10 posts are NOT enough. lol. x
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EntirelyPossible
James Tabor has made many claims with extremely dubious evidence to back them up.
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jgnat
From wiki, name for God:
Ancient cognate equivalents for the word "God" include proto-Semitic el, Hebrewelohim (God or/of gods), Arabic'ilah (a or the God), and Biblical Aramaic 'Elaha (God). The personal or proper name for God in many of these languages may either be distinguished from such attributes, or homonymic. For example, in Judaism the Holy Name is sometimes related to the ancient Hebrew ehyeh (I will be). In Hinduism the term Brahman or Parabrahman is often used or it is also symbolized by the word Om (pronounced 'Oum'),
In order of age,
el - 2300 BC (No sideways "A")
Elohim - (No sideways "A") - about 1600 BC
YHWH - Hebrew - (No sideways "A", no vowels at all) - about 1200 BC
Ehyeh - (No sideways "A")
So a "paleo-Hebrew" would be older than 2300 BC and would consist of no more than two letters, no sideways "A".
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Newly Enlightened
I agree. The chances of it being a hoax perpertrated by Professor Hibbins is probably at the very least 50% probable. But you have to admit, SOMEONE knew about that solar eclipse, with the zodiac & star positions on 9/15/107 bce and how the sky looked here in New Mexico.
Kind of shoots down the sanitized history we learned in school about Columbus discovering America, doesn't it?
Here's another questionable archeological find: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucson_artifacts
History is only as reliable as the person writing it, or the archeologists interpretting it.
That's why I write fiction.
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jgnat
A rock in the hand is worth two in the bush. Or as an Archaelogist might say, an artifact in situ is worth two in a musuem.
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AnnOMaly
Native Americans would know about the zodiac and stars, surely? They go through the same cycles every year. Planetary positions change, of course. They may have observed the solar eclipse ... although it wasn't total* so the stars would not have been visible on that occasion. The suggestion that the eclipse was total at Los Lunas and stars could be seen during it makes me a little skeptical.
*http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/SEsearchmap.php?Ecl=-01060919
http://www.alcyone.de/planetary_lunar_and_stellar_visibility.html
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Newly Enlightened
Oh Yeah, Chaco Canyon is an ancient observatory. Check this article out: http://www.exploratorium.edu/chaco/HTML/canyon.html
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Newly Enlightened
Oh and the Chupacabra? A rancher killed one in Texas and it was analysed and it's DNA taken. It was found to be close to a canine DNA [Coyotes, Dogs etc] and a wolf's DNA but matched neither one. The biggest thing they cannot explain is if it is in the canine family, what is with the 2.5-3 inch fangs.
