by Sol Reform 38 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
We don't know all the details of the GT. Get as close to Jehovah as you can NOW and hope for the best.....A watcher
Translation:..
We don't know "Sh*t about the GT..
Get as close to the WBT$ as you can NOW and hope they Stop Screwing Us.
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...OUTLAW
So, let me see if I have this straight: God will be upset with governments if they turn on religion for abusing kids and that will bring on the great tribulation? Wow, another good reason you can keep your God, and your religion.
wha, the anointed will be in heaven before ARMAGEDDON starts.
Armageddon is the 3rd and last part of the GT.
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"By their fruits you will recognise them".
Run as fast as you can from any religion that is trying to prevent legislation enabling justice for victims of child molestation by persons in trust in these white-washed religious institutions. They are rotten, phoney, sick institutions.
If a crack down on child abuses is seen as a sign that the fall of Babylon the great then why are jws so gleeful. They are being dragged through the courts in the USA and Australia and their own failings are being exposed along with their arrogance to do nothing. They are as corrupt as all the rest and worse than some.
Yes blondie, I think the emphasis is on YOU, as in the first-century people he was speaking to. It seems that Jesus was quite sure his listeners would personally witness these events.
Strange how simple words and phrases somehow don't mean what they say! (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/227175/1/When-this-means-that-you-means-someone-else-and-shortly-means-so-far-in-the-future-you-will-be-long-buried-and-forgotten)
Outlaw, so funny and yet sadly so true.
Watcher:
the anointed will be in heaven before ARMAGEDDON starts.
It's possible that the 144,000 will be all gone from earth, especially if it is literally true that they are all martyred as Rev 20:4 suggests. But "the anointed" represent all Christians. The only Scriptures that mention 'anointing' of Christians assume that all Christians are (2 Cor 1:21; 1 Jn 2:20, 27). In the NT, being 'anointed' is associated with witnessing (Luke 4:18; Acts 1:8 and learning/having knowledge. (2 Cor 1:21; 1 Jn 2:20, 27; And, incidentally, the phrase "the anointed" never occurs in the NT, although I can see where it would be appropo to refer to "Christians" as "the anointed." Both terms are synonymous.)
No where is there any mention of 'non-anointed' Christians. The only mention of ones claiming to be Christians who are not anointed is in 1 John when John speaks of "many antichrists" who "went out from us but were not of our sort" (vv. 18-19) These are placed in contrast to those in verse 20 who "have an anointing." (The "And" [Greek kai] that begins vs. 20 can also be adversative in nature, having the force of english "but" as some translations translate it here. This sets up a contrast between the "many antichrists" and "you" who "have an anointing.")
As Galatians 3:14 points out, 'the promised spirit is recieved thru our faith.' The context contrasts 'those who have faith in Christ' with those who 'depend on works of law,' not with 'others who also have faith in Christ.'
Armageddon is the 3rd and last part of the GT.
I see this regularly, so not picking on you. But, Armageddon is a "place" (symbolic or literal - either way still a "place"). And according to the flow of Rev. chap 16 (vv. 16-21) it is 'arrived at' (v. 16) shortly before the "great earthquake" (vv.18-21) takes place. This arrival at Armageddon appears, in fact (based on this context), to prompt God to say "It is done." (v. 17) So in that sense, the 'arrival' of 'the kings of the entire inhabited earth' at Armageddon could be said to spark the great tribulation (assuming you hold to the idea that the great tribulation = the great earthquake of Rev 16:18).
Incidentally, the Rev Climax book (pp. 232-3, pars. 32-3 seems to acknowledge this order (Arrival at world situation called Armageddon [v.16], followed by outpouring of 7th bowl of God's anger [v.17]). But most (if not nearly all JWs) view "Armageddon" as the last part of the great tribulation (so you also above). As the order of Rev chapter 16 presents it, all the events related to the great earthquake (16:18-21) occur at Armageddon. Thus, it could be said that, 'the great city being split into three,' the 'falling of the cities of the nations,' and 'Babylon's being handed God's cup of wrath,' all these 'events' (v. 19) happen at Armageddon.
There is a battle/war fought after these events (v.20-1; compare Rev 19:11-20 which follows destruction of Babylon). So it could properly be called 'the war (or battle) of Armageddon.' (It is called a war - properly so because it settles some issue with finality. But it is also technically a 'battle' due to the fact that it represents a single engagement.)
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How to structure a good argument: back up your points with evidence. In this case, Bobcat uses scriptures and examples from original languages to provide evidence to support her/his assertions. The information is linked and properly referenced (scriptures cited etc). WIN.
A watcher, you bring up points too, but without the part of evidence and application Bobcat makes, it comes across as religious dogmatism. Saying something is doesn't make it so. A convincing argument of this nature needs scriptures to back it up.
Bobcat - re the great city being split into 3.
Where can one try to find more info on that to try to understand it better.
e.g could the great city be symbolic of the earth and mankind (the nations). Being split into 3. could it be related to spiritual matters, like world religion/belief sytems.
1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. (i dunno, satanists ? )
I find it really hard to try to put things into a reasonable picture, without relying on WT publications.
I would be grateful if you could point me where to look for more info.
regards
