The absence of DUE PROCESS and the threat of the "invisible" gun

by Terry 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    The Watchtower Society is a monolithic power invested by its own self with power of attorney representing the Supreme Being in his dealings with mankind. The Watchtower represents itself as the "mouthpiece of god". It speaks FOR Jehovah.

    But, does it treat the persons it deals with fairly and with due process? Are all persons within its membership treated equally in accordance to the law?

    Or, is there lack of representation on behalf of members when they are accused or suspected of some grievous infraction?

    For instance, if any person feels they have been dealt with unfairly is there a way to speak up and voice their personal grievance without being censored or reproved?

    If somebody has cause to suspect the leadership locally or at a higher level is misrepresenting the will of God in word, deed or doctrine is there a process by which Loyal Opposition can be mounted without reprisal?

    No and No!

    The Watchtower Society is insular. It is self-protected from criticism and appeal publicly. This is made repeatedly clear in its published articles which seek to defame, demonize and ostracize any voice which may differ with its policies.

    There is no means by which the critic, however well-intentioned or with good cause, merit and evidence may speak out and hold to account the administrators, elders or governing body! NONE. Why? Members have NO STANDING legal or otherwise against the Governing Body.

    Let us ask ourselves why this is so and whether it is at odds with how Jehovah has dealt with humanity in the past.

    In the Old Testament we see instances of men arguing with God and pleading their case for hearing and reconsideration. (Moses pleading for the idolators at Mt.Sinai, Lot pleading for the lives of the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.)

    Jehovah listened and heard insignificant man plead his case!

    We also recall the role of such men as were called Prophets who criticized the duly anointed Kings of Israel and the nation as a whole.

    Individuals such as Job argued with God and complained bitterly of treatment the felt was unjust and unfair.

    Jesus, who represented his Father, argued with the highest officials of his religion and often bested them in the process.

    Paul argued with religious the caretakers of christianity in Jerusalem such as Peter and James over differences of opinion on doctrine and pure worship.

    So, why is today any different?

    Why is the voice of the Loyal Opposition silenced? Why is there no accounting by high officials for policies, doctrines and printed statements which are demonstrably false?

    Could it be the labeling of critics as "evil slaves" and "apostates" is mere despotism? Is the denial of Due Process a symptom of a haughty spirit that cannot bear scrutiny?

    It is the sorrow and the pity of present day Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society that there is an iron curtain of censorship in place to prevent the airing of differences.

    There is no process, no mechanism in place in which matters of doctrine or policy can be publicly debated as was clearly the case in Biblical times. Is that no evidence enough that the men in Brooklyn who run the corporation are in clear defiance of justice and fairness on purpose?

    The denial of due process is a symptom of an evil laying waste to freedom of religion; the freedom of choice that informs and enlightens worshippers who possess free will.

    If you are denied the right to make choices you are not a free person.

    The right to disagree is the right possessed by thinking people who are rational and demand more than authority and the brusque, cold hand of the censor clamped over their mouth when they need to speak.

    Brothers are not allowed to wear facial hair and become an elder.

    Families are denied the right to make medical decision vitally affecting their children's lives.

    Voting to better local government is denied infringing on federal laws.

    Sexual malfeasance by members of the congregation is kept under wraps.

    Parents have no say in certain medical treatments for their own children.

    The level of education a young person may pursue is curtailed and severly controled.

    The manner of employment a breadwinner may engage in is not a matter of free choice.

    How a family uses its free time is limited, ordered and enforced.

    The list is endless. Voices are silenced.

    The Watchtower Policy of labeling contrary views within their own ranks as heresy, apostate evil and the symptom of spiritual illness is a sick policy that needs changing.

    Who has the fortitude to bring about this change? How might it be carried out with a peaceable spirit of benevolence and fairness?

    By creating a closed system and keeping it impenetrable by fiat, the Watchtower Society is able to maintain an illusory sense of a protective bubble. Yes, but, the Governing Body is protecting ITSELF from owning the blowback of ill-conceived errors of judgement.

    Beliefs which are true can withstand any amount of discussion, testing, interrogatory scrutiny or examination. Jesus never ran away from a tough question, did he? No. But, the Watchtower Society has jiggered the system and short-circuited the Q&A in the Socratic method which Jesus used to teach.

    The Watchtower closes off natural curiousity, going so far as to create exactly WHAT QUESTIONS are asked and providing exactly WHAT ANSWERS are to be parroted back!

    But, they will never engage you in actual "thinking-it-through". No JW is able to think it through. Why? They are not allowed to THINK for themselves at all. They are indoctrinated to respond to a stimulus. Beyond that there is no "there" there.

    A new interested person who is engaged in a JW "bible study" may ask questions, sure. However, if those questions reach the very edge of indoctrination the one teaching the study goes BLANK, balks and mumbles: "I'll have to get back to you on that one!" NO THINKING is allowed beyond what is memorized!

    Any religion which only permits the closed system of thought and enforces it by threats and recriminations is a religion based on control and fear.

    JW's are among the most fearful of all believers. Why? Because they are assured their very lives and futures hang in the balance with every deed they do and every word they utter. Is it any wonder they self-examine to the point of implosion?

    It is the rare individual who can speak up and challenge this censorship. In a system that destroys individuality it is scarcely possible.

    They'd end up expelled.

    A closed system must remain closed.

    I call it the inducement of the invisible "gun".

    The Watchtower Society breaks in to your mind and pulls an invisible gun on you (the threat of destruction at Armageddon).

    They disarm you by breaking down your confidence in your anchor points by pointing to "error" in your own religion. They humiliate you by constantly belittling your worth as a human being (sinful, imperfect, deserving of death, without hope, etc.).

    The gun is always there pointing right at you.

    Threat also of disfellowship is another kind of gun (Shun Gun.)

    Indoctrination, inveteration and the gradual loss of rational defenses leads to inclusion in the new world society at the point of Conversion.

    What holds members inside?

    The absence of due process and the threat of the invisible gun.

  • Simon
    Simon

    There is no right of appeal.

    I received a leeter saying I'd refused to meet with the elders (a meeting they forgot to invite me to). When I appealed, I met with the original 3 clowns plus another 3 clowns from another congregation and after 3 hours, they decided that yes ... I was refusing to meet with them.

    They decide what they want to decide, the rest is pure pantomime.

    Edited to add: Really enjoying reading your topics Terry!

  • Zordino
    Zordino

    Terry, another good post. I enjoy them. Marking

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Ha! Never heard the "shun gun" thing before.

    Just what's so scary about being destroyed at "Armageddon"? You'll be no worse off than you were before you were born (if they're right).

    I just had surgery about a week ago. I've been under anethesia before, but I asked the doctor to please let me know when he began to inject the sodium penethol into my tube. "Oh," he said, patting me on the shoulder. "I just did. You ought to be feeling it in just a few...."

    The lights above just began vibrating a little and I didn't hear the end of his sentence. The next thing I knew it was as though I had taken a long nap and was awakening, but I was disoriented as hell. A nurse walked up to me and said, "Hello, Mr. ---. How are we feeling? You're in the recovery room at the --- Hospital. Your surgery went well and your doctor will be dropping by in a few minutes. I'll notify your wife that you're awake and I'll be right back. Is there anything I can get you? Soft drink...water?"

    I'd heard that drill before. I didn't think of it then, but so what if man doesn't have an immortal spirit (he does)? What would be the big deal about blipping out and just not coming back to see how the ship sank? (A Titanic reference.)

    Am I going to let some self-appointed elder from a manmade church whose leaders have never seen an angel or received revelation of any sort, cow me into submission?

    Let's pretend we're all WRONG about religion. Let's say you die and wake up and cows are running the universe. You've got a bunch of bald guys wearing pastel chiffon getups offering everyone else bee pollen. Meanwhile, a guy with horns and a red skintight outfit comes up and shows you a photo of you eating a cheeseburger. Okay, you know you're in deep. The only way it could get worse is if onion rings could sit in judgment of you. But now you've got a lot of holy cows looking to settle old scores. How bad would it be to just go back to non-existence. Even if the cows forgave you, is this really how you want to live?

    Apparently, few people who are JWs really ever question whether their gig is legit if they risk being toast. Shoot, I don't know of anyone in the Society that really even knows what the Bible says about Armageddon! They know what the Watchtower says, but not the apostles. And corret me if I'm wrong, don't you get a clean shot at resurrection when you come to and are conscious again? Doesn't matter what you did on Earth...it's whether you choose Jehovah when you come to in the Recovery Room, right?

    Either way....

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    marked

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Due process is a legal term used in the Fifth Amendment of the Bill of Rights. I believe the text of the Fourteenth Amendment either contains the text or myriad Supreme Court decisions have held that due process applies to the states as well as the federal government. The post Civil War amendments incorporated the Fifth Amendment into the Fourteenth Amendment. To use "due process" as a term against the WT is not accurate. The WT never promised due process and the First Amendment precludes it.

    There are much older concepts in common use that apply to the WT. There are no safeguards or appeals to higher authorities. Well, there are pleas to upper echelon folks at Bethel but these are prurely discretionary. Most mainstream churches employ canon law to protect lay people and ministers. Overreaching and deliberate misconstruction of text are hallmarks of the WT. There are no boundaries. The average Witness has no right or discretion to even reply effectively. In mainstream churches, one can hire a canon lawyer to make your case before church authorities. Although there is absolutely no legal recourse, the written rules are obeyed for the most part. If they were ever flaunted, lay people would simply move to another parish or denomination.

    The legal concept of due process includes such everday items as notice, appeal, an opportunity to be heard, etc. Fundamental liberties are also included against government. Procedural due process may be boring and not involve the substantive point. I thought I would shoot myself in law school because I wanted to learn the real substantive law. There can be no substantive law or justice without procedural due process.

    The total lack of procedural safeguards or any manner of leveling the playing field between an individual, usually poorly educated, and the WT, a monolithic cult are comepelling signals that the WT is a cult.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Its clear to see that the WT organization is loosely regulated and controlled down to the Congregation level.

    The way one person is treated or handled could be quite different from another congregation to the next.

    These small group of men have to ascertain what penalty they can or should impose and many different situations and

    circumstances. Some as its seen appear redundantly pointless at times.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    You don't have to worry about either the illusion or the reality of fair proceedings when you have convinced everyone that God is looking over your shoulder and therefore you can absolutely do no wrong.

    I really wonder why the Watchtower judicial system even maintains the fantasy of an "appeal process" at all.

  • return of parakeet
    return of parakeet

    Terry: "A ny religion which only permits the closed system of thought and enforces it by threats and recriminations is a religion based on control and fear.

    "

    And that's by design. The gb knows only too well that their system must remain closed if they wish it to continue. If dissent and free speech were allowed, the WTS and the JW religion would be defunct in less than 5 years.

    Cold Steel: " Am I going to let some self-appointed elder from a manmade church whose leaders have never seen an angel or received revelation of any sort, cow me into submission?"

    But it's okay if Mormons knuckle under?

    Cold Steel: "How bad would it be to just go back to non-existence. Even if the cows forgave you, is this really how you want to live?"

    Don't you mean swine instead of cows? You know, the ones from whom the pearls of Jesus are "hidden." That is to say, from everyone except Mormons.

    Cold Steel: "Apparently, few people who are JWs really ever question whether their gig is legit if they risk being toast. Shoot, I don't know of anyone in the Society that really even knows what the Bible says about Armageddon!"

    Apparently, few people who are Mormons ever really question whether their "gig" is legit, period. And I'm sure your god has revealed to you everything you need to know about armageddon. You've got a direct line open.

    Cold Steel: "And corret me if I'm wrong, don't you get a clean shot at resurrection when you come to and are conscious again? Doesn't matter what you did on Earth...it's whether you choose Jehovah when you come to in the Recovery Room, right?"

    You are wrong. Dubs believe that faith without works is dead. Choosing God in "extremis" is rejected by dubs as being too little, too late. And "corret" is spelled "correct."

    Either way.... "

    Go back to your temple and leave exdubs alone. We have enough to worry about without you.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    I really wonder why the Watchtower judicial system even maintains the fantasy of an "appeal process" at all.

    Exactly.

    I guess it at least gives you slim hope the Holy Spirit may have gotten it wrong....or was out of town that day.

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