.... this too from the OSCE website. 6th down/left under Non-Governmental Organizatios:
http://www.osce.org/hdim_2012?view=conference_documents&display=page_2&arg=92455
A question concerning the OSCE and the WTBTS.
by DATA-DOG 19 Replies latest watchtower bible
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AndDontCallMeShirley
*** w81 9/15 p. 23 par. 15 Disfellowshiping — How to View It ***
Or, a person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. (Compare Revelation 19:17-21; Isaiah 2:4.) So if one who was a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he had disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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So, according to the governing body's own rule as stated above, they should by all rights be considered "disassociated" and an appropriate announcement should have been read from the platform in ALL congregations that, by their action of "becoming part of two organizations whose objective is contrary to the Bible", the governing body members are no longer Jehovah's Witnesses.
Of course, this applies to every JW who is NOT a GB member.
They roll differently than the rest of us. We have to follow their rules....they don't.
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jwleaks
Andersonsinfo put up on JWN a good description on the OSCE and included information on the 2011 interfaith between the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Office of Muslim Denomination:
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
Hi Data, in the last three months I have talked to five JWs who know this and lied about the Watchtower joining the UN NGO. What scares me is I have family with degrees (if two of my siblings did their dissertation, they would have phDs and they both were gifted in school) in hard science, and they will not research this issue.
Data, we were not allowed to get a hot towel from the YMCA because we would be joining a evil entity whose goal was to trick the Christian World because anyone who joined the YMCA was a homosexual, just ask Goofus the Elder who used this screwed up analogy to compare the YMCA to the Village People! I have no idea how brother Goofus was able to connect the two, "join the YMCA and become a homosexual like the Village People, only in JW Theology!"
How can you turn your brain you polished at school for ten years and allow the men from the Tower to control your mind? I am having more success with non-degreed JWs than those with higher educations who will not entertain the idea the Tower made a bad mistake (Treason to Jehovah and Jesus Christ) or blasphemy to Jehovah God! I wish you success because you are going to need this, they will be looking for any tale-tell you are part of the "Evil Slave" Class to dump you out of their sight. Please watch your tongue and act confused!
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EdenOne
In principle, I don't see a big problem with the involvement of the WT with OSCE and even the UN for the purpose of lobbying for Human Rights and freedom of speech and freedom of religion, worldwide.
HOWEVER ...
Given the peculiar theological stand of the WTS on what the UN and organizations like the OSCE represent, and how the WTS treat individual members who associate with "worldy" organizations of this nature, and their flamant villifying discourse about these organizations, it is immensly hypocrital that they have any kind of formal ties and dealings with these organizations. It's pretty much like going to bed with Satan while preaching how evil Satan is. Not to mention that demanding freedom of speech in a given territory, when the same freedom of speech isn't granted internally to its individual members is just as hypocrite.
Eden
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AndDontCallMeShirley
EdenOne: In principle, I don't see a big problem with the involvement of the WT with OSCE and even the UN for the purpose of lobbying for Human Rights and freedom of speech and freedom of religion, worldwide.
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You are correct. What makes the difference with WT is their historical villifying of "Satan's system" in general and the U.N. in particular. It is the height of hypocrisy to condemn spiritual prostitution and then become a whore yourself, all while claiming to be pure as snow.
Additionally, the WT condemns, and upholds by excommunication, their firm stance against military service and voting for one primary reason: guilt by association. If a JW votes for the President, then that President declares war, the WT considers that JW bloodguilty by association and just as culpable for murder/killing as the President who issues the orders. The following quote illustrates this:
*** lv chap. 7 pp. 82-83 Do You Value Life as God Does? ***
STAY CLEAR OF BLOODGUILTY ORGANIZATIONS20 In God's eyes, Satan's entire world is bloodguilty. Its political systems, portrayed in the Scriptures as vicious beasts, have slaughtered countless millions, including many of Jehovah's servants. (Daniel 8:3, 4, 20-22; Revelation 13:1, 2, 7, 8) Hand in hand with these beastlike powers, business and science have worked to create some of the most heinous weapons imaginable, making huge profits in the process. How true that "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"!-1 John 5:19.
By WT's own words, they are guilty by association, even if their alliance is with the supposedly "humanitarian" arm of an otherwise self-proclaimed "political-military" institution.
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DATA-DOG
ArbolesdeArabia,
Thanks for the concern and the advice. Remember, I can't be an Evil Slave anymore! I am not an FDS, and therefore cannnot ever turn into the hypothetical Evil Slave!
EdenOne,
I agree with you to a point. Christians should help in the community whenever possible. Still, there may be instances where you mat not be able to participate. Otherwise why would you ever be hated by some?
The problem with the WTBTS is that they are hypocrites. Remember the UN is Satan's instrument.
WT 1/15/51
Participation with Demons Forbidden
"..... When the Israelites turned aside from Jehovah, "they sacrificed to demons, to no-gods." (Deut. 32:17, Mo; Ps. 106:37) In that way they had fellowship with the demons, the foes of Jehovah; they 'participated in demons'. (Mo) Christians must not be sharers with demons. For that reason they may not engage in idolatry. This means greed, too, for a 'greedy person is an idolater' and 'covetousness is equal to idolatry'. (Eph. 5:5; Col. 3:5) Jesus never worshiped or served demons. When Satan the Devil, "the ruler of the demons," offered Jesus the kingdoms of this world in exchange for Jesus' worship, Jesus replied that he obeyed the divine command to worship only Jehovah God. (Matt. 12:24; 4:8-11, NW) Jesus worshiped no idol, only the living God. In no way did he participate or have fellowship with demons. All through his earthly ministry he expelled demons from possessed persons and he refused to let them testify that he was Christ. (Why do " true " Christians need the help of the UN, the Wild Beast of Satanic origin or it's primary partner the OSCE to testify for them?) Hence if we want to have unity with Christ as members of his body and if we want to partake of Memorial emblems in a worthy manner, we cannot indulge in idolatry of any sort. Especially so now when worldly organizations and heroes are idolized, such as the United Nations and famous world figures. We cannot be "one body" or "one loaf" with Christ Jesus and at the same time be idolaters.
If the UN is Satanic, then so is it's primary partner, the OSCE. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot feed at YHVH's table, and the table of the Demons.
Peace,
DD
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AndDontCallMeShirley
One further point:
Does it not really betray a lack of faith in god on Watchtower's part to forge these political alliances with Satan's system?
I mean, really: if WT truly believed it had god's exclusive backing as his "sole channel of communication on earth", and that the GB is his hand-picked representitives, why would WT need to have these alliances? If god is with them, he will make things work for the WT without the help of his arch enemy, Satan, and his evil, bloodguilty political system.
In reality, it is actually Satan that is helping WT achieve it's goals while god watches from the bleechers. It's absurd.
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DATA-DOG
" In reality, it is actually Satan that is helping WT achieve it's goals while god watches from the bleechers. It's absurd "
Yes, it is. So who then is delaying the arrival of the Master in their hearts? Who is letting their position as the supposed FDS go to their head? The Master must be delaying, so I had better take steps myself... Who beats their fellow slave for daring to question their ideas and expectations?
WT 3/1/1981
" But this does not mean that the "slave" should avoid publishing a possible explanation until the final, complete understanding is available."
WT 11/15/1952
" Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. "
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AndDontCallMeShirley
WT 3/1/1981
" But this does not mean that the "slave" should avoid publishing a possible explanation until the final, complete understanding is available."
--- Okay. This is called speculation. What the WT fails to understand is that it's okay to not have all the answers. The Apostles didn't have all the answers; neither did the prophets. None of them reasoned that it would be acceptable to speculate, throw out some ridiculous ideas and demand that everyone believe those ideas- until the right answer came along. What happens to a JW who "runs ahead" of the Org? They are reprimanded, told to stop spreading unproven beliefs, wait on god. If they don't stop, they're disfellowshipped.
> WT 11/15/1952
" Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. "
Perhaps the WT and GB should just convert to Islam and move to the Middle East. It's legal to kill apostates there. In fact, it's practically the national pastime- they love it.
It's quite telling when the GB laments the fact that it cannot murder people who simply see things in a different way than they do. It is hubris laced with a healthy dose of mental instability.