Good Info for people that might get cancer

by Iamallcool 17 Replies latest jw friends

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  JamesThomas

  Dear Cofty, I'm sorry to hear of your situation. I desire the best for you, and hope nothing I have said was inappropriate.

  Perhaps it is wise to look at our bullshit detector. We all have one.

  What is a detector, but a stack of filters to subtract and limited what we see and experience.

  In everyday life, we have to keep our individual filter operative, or we would go insane from all the data.

  However, when it comes to what may amount to the last days of our phenomenal existence, it may be wise to openly investigate what before we have filter out.

  Every organization champions what brings them profit. Their existence depends on it. The American Medical Association (AMA), is no different. They will never steer us towards health remedies that do not strengthen and support them. That is the way of the beast.

  So, knowing this, it can make it important to look and investigate, where they say: don't look.

  Indeed there are a lot of scams and BS. But there is also good stuff, that can help us.

  Just for an example, one may want to investigate vitamin C and it's effects on cancer. You can find some real validation for it. You will also find a strong effort to steer you away from it.

  Thank Gawd for the Internet. We can do our own investigation into the information that is out there.

  That's all I'm saying.
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  cofty

  I am being treated by the Brittish NHS where I receive expensive treament for free. Uk doctors don't get paid extra for prescribing ineffective treatments.

  investigate vitamin C and it's effects on cancer. You can find some real validation for it

  Please provide me a link to the peer reviewed double-blind trials and you will have my attention.
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  Hortensia

  It can be very discouraging for people with cancer to read stuff like that. Anecdotal evidence isn't really any kind of evidence. Evidence shows that surgery and chemo -- radical though they may seem -- produce better results. Of course, you should eat the healthiest food you can get. Of course you should drink clean water. But -- and I know this from personal experience in the alternative health community -- you can still die with cancer even though you eat very good food and do all the things that the alternative health community suggests. For every story where a person rejects treatment and survives, there are probably a dozen stories of people who reject treatment and die.

  I watched the most amazing video recently, Pink Ribbons, Inc., on Netflix. A group of women with stage 4 cancer were interviewed. They say that this kind of story makes them feel like failures -- they followed the rules of pure diet, etc., but their cancers advanced. Rather than relate anecdotal stories that are more discouraging than anything else, why not look at the real evidence? Lots and lots of studies are reported on the NIH web page and anyone can search them and read the abstracts.
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  return of parakeet

  At its most basic, cancer is a disease of the genes. Researchers don't know yet all the influences that can result in a gene going haywire and causing uncontrolled cell reproduction, which is the hallmark of cancer.

  And NO ONE knows a way that will get those genes to behave themselves. Chemo, surgery, radiation, bone marrow transplant, and some retrovirus therapies are the only tools that work to get a cancer to go into remission. These therapies are dangerous and may cause more trouble down the road. But when the alternative is death, they are still the best choice for a cancer patient.

  Very occasionally, a cancer will go into remission with minimal treatment. This is rare.

  Promoting vegan diets and other like-minded actions as a "cure" for cancer is irresponsible. Read "The Emporer of All Maladies" to inform youself about what cancer is and what cancer research has accomplished in the last sixty years.
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  cofty

  Hortensia & ROP thank yo for lending your voices of reason.

  When I post anti-theist arguments I often get accused of being an "angry atheist". Nothing could be further from the truth, I enjoy the debate and usually post with smirk. When it comes to dangerous bullshit I actually do get angry about it.
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  nugget

  Cancer is not one disease it is many and chances of surviving are based on a wide range of factors. It is very dangerous to suggest that because one person survived by eating nuts and drinking organic soya milk that this is the cure for everyone. If it was really that easy then thousands of people who follow strict diets would all survive and doctors would be using it as a treatment. Charities who are dedicated to fighting cancer and finding cures would insist on it. The truth is people still die whatever they eat although some very lucky people survive, they would also have survived if they followed conventional treatment. People survive following conventional treatments although for some it is not enough and they would still have died if they ate an organic diet.

  A persons treatment plan is as individual as the cancer they are fighting and I would trust my life to those with years of experience treating it rather than some random person who was also extremely lucky.
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  LouBelle

  Cancer - My uncle got prostate cancer - he left it too long to go get certain things checked out. He did chemo, he did radiation. I researched everything possible on how to treat it holistically with food, spices, etc. In the end, well it didn't matter what we did. He died.

  I do understand the need for healthier lifestyle all round. We do eat more animal products now than ever before. I beleive that a balanced, lean proteing/animal product diet with a great variety of vegetables, legumes, etc is a great way to live your life. If you choose to be a vegetarian or vegan for whatever reason that is great, it is very healthy and I have friends that are strict vegans and they feel great. I have vegan days / vegetarian days and omnivore days - balance.
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  Scully

  sorry for the delay, cofty - I was asking Iamallcool to provide evidence, not you.

  Thanks for mentioning the Pink Ribbons, Inc movie, Hortensia. I'll be watching it this weekend.