Cancer Research Worthless?

by metatron 56 Replies latest jw friends

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  cognisonance

  For instance, suppose you get cancer in 2000 and it is the one that will not self-cure. Under older diagnostics, you might be diagnosed in 2014 with 2 years left to live. Despite treatment, you die in 2016 after 2 years. Under newer screenings, you are diagnosed in 2002 and get chemo. The chemo takes out that cancer, and in 2005 or 2006 you get another cancer because your immune system was trashed. The second cancer takes you out in 2008, or 6 years after the initial diagnosis but still some 8 years before you would have died from the first cancer. Have they extended your life by 4 years, or shortened it by 8?

  Wow, that's a pretty provocative conclusion! Can you please point me to the empirical evidence used to support this? I mean no disrespect and information like this needs to be substantiated, otherwise it is conjecture.

  Additionally, how do you know that the person in the later situation would have lived longer had he received treatment later in life? Your hypothesis can't really be tested for verification or falsification. Thus, I suspect there is no empirical evidence.
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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “The effects of Wakame seaweed were so profound, I wonder why this fell into obscurity?”

  metatron,

  Other than you, since publication of the article you cite (1999), who says research on this fell into obscurity?

  Marvin Shilmer
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  LisaRose

  Science has made great strides in cancer treatment, and survival rates have improved greatly for some things like breast cancer and childhood leukemia. But this article does raise some interesting questions. It's true that not all results can be reproduced, but is it normal that such a high percentage would not be? I believe big pharma is corrupt, and their track record of being honest and above board has not been very good. It's not wrong to make a profit, it is wrong to lie and cheat to make a bigger profit. They have been known to manipulate prices, cheat on research, and hide negative side effects. And they get caught, pay a fine and still make money. Cancer drugs are very expensive, as much as 138,000 per year, that is a lot of incentive. In many cases, these drugs only extend life a few months, so I don't think it is wrong to question their use, or ask for better research. As a patient, I think we should know what the facts are on possible treatments, what are the risks, what are the costs, how long has this been around, etc. If I had known more about the drug I was given, I would never have taken it. I have learned my lesson, I wouldn't take any drug without thorough research. You simply cannot rely on the drug companies to do the right thing.
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  metatron

  Well, if you've read the report before, Marvin, well and good. If not, how much how have you heard about seaweed and cancer?

  The subject pops up, every so often, and I hear nothing further about recommendations from the medical community, nor drugs therefrom developed. If I've missed something solid here, please bring it out.

  I noticed that there have been a number of spontaneous remissions of cancer reported by people who follow a macrobiotic diet - which might include seaweed. I do not recommend that diet but I do think that a cure/treatment for cancer could exist in rapidly growing plants because they have evolved defenses to regulate rapid but coherent growth - apart from cancer.

  I'm also interested in reports about cannabis oil and cancer because cannabinoids can trigger all sorts of changes in the body.

  metatron
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  cantleave

  I noticed that there have been a number of spontaneous remissions of cancer reported by people who follow a macrobiotic diet

  Where is the evidence for this? Ahhhh!!! There isn't any, I am sorry but anecdotes are not evidence.

  What is known is that so-called macrobiotic diets can result in mulnutrician and death!
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  still thinking

  Teva won't say why they discontinued making Vermox (mebendazole) in the US, an inexpensive anti-parasite drug.

  I don't understand this claim about Vermox...we can still buy it in NZ. Have they only stopped selling it in the US?
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  still thinking

  Oh well, I guess you have a problem with reading comprehension - I didn't say chemio, radiation and surgery should NOT be used.

  I just said Big Pharma is CORRUPT....Tal

  Thats what I read you say...sometimes we see what we want don't we? Guess he didn't want to see what you were really saying. Just what he presumed you were saying. Happens to us all.
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  metatron

  The word is 'malnutrition'. And yes, as I said, I would not recommend a macrobiotic diet.

  Call it anecdotal as you wish but I tend to see a reprieve from certain death as somehow significant and worth investigation.

  I understand that Vermox is available outside the US and that various sufferers in the US are trying to get it imported.

  metatron
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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “Well, if you've read the report before, Marvin, well and good. If not, how much how have you heard about seaweed and cancer?

  “The subject pops up, every so often, and I hear nothing further about recommendations from the medical community, nor drugs therefrom developed. If I've missed something solid here, please bring it out.”

  metatron,

  I like you. But you have a tendency to think and assert the worst before checking things out.

  In this case the subject is Wakame seaweed. If you don’t have any better resources, I recommend you perform a quick search using Google Scholar. You’ll find the subject of Wakame as a cancer therapeutic has not “fell into obscurity” but, rather, has been furthered.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  metatron

  For those of you that are skeptics:

  Let's consider that the whole drug industry together with charities is a system.

  So, as a system, what is it optimized to produce? I would say that it is optimized or 'tweeked' to produce maximum profit.

  Thus, it is not maximized to relieve human suffering. That is secondary.

  Profit is not a dirty word. It needs to be part of the picture - but not the overwhelmingly dominant part. Like the Middle Path concept in Buddhism.

  I can't dogmatically say how this system could be changed but I do believe that freedom of speech and the enforcement of other rights would be a good start - in opposition to the FDA and others. Also, the prosecution of fraud in the drug industry - not just fines ( as with TBTF banks !)

  metatron