Jehovah's Witnesses submission to the United Nations | July 2013 Human Rights session

by jwleaks 26 Replies latest jw friends

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Seeking human rights or religious freedoms through the various means this world has to offer is not wrong in itself.

  However, considering the WT's historical stance condemning the League of Nations, then the U.N., it is hypocritical for WT to seek help from the very entity it claims is opposed to God's Kingdom.

  The WT brings much persecution and scrutiny on itself due to its claims of superiority and provincialism. "Pride come before a fall". If the WT did not publicly condemn all other religions as being false while also condemning every aspect of the system as Satan's world, from which Christians should be neutral and have no involvement with, then when WT appeals through these various governmental agencies no one would think much of it.

  But, when WT condemns these organizations, then turns to these very same organizations when it needs help, the hypocrisy is all to apparent- and intolerable.

  No one is criticizing other religions for using the UN, OSCE or other entities. Why? Because other religions have not spent the past 70 years condemning them as a tool of Satan, the "image of the Wild Best".

  WT's attitude of "wait on Jehovah" suddenly becomes a "theological concept" rather than a pragmatic approach they actually put faith in when their own interests are threatened.
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  Terry

  Having been imprisoned myself here in the United States for the conscientious objector's stand of "neutrality" I have to speak out here.

  The WTsociety refused to help me at all. They would not even write a letter on my behalf.....that is UNLESS I agreed to full-time Pioneer!

  The local Congregation Overseer and his assistant made clear to me in a a library conference I was to follow their instructions but say it

  was "my conscience" and not the Watchtower advising me.

  One of the brothers incarcerated with me in Seagoville Federal Correction facility sought assistance from the WTSociety also. He was referred

  to attorney Hayden Covington. That sounds great, right?

  Hardly.

  Covington charged ten thousand dollars to defend the brother and then jumped ship when the Cassius Clay high-profile case came up at the same time.

  Brother Sam got a terrible defense both half-hearted and ill-prepared! And this from a lawyer who won so many Freedom of Religion cases before the Supreme Court! (Covington's case was quite looney. It had to do with the perforation on the draft card from the Selective Service!)

  So what point am I making?

  The Watchtower leaders don't give a bent twig about the plight of their own manufactured conscientious objectors but they will jump in bed

  with the U.N. to save face.
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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Terry- Sadly, WT is now seeking rights for JWs for something that was considered a "compromise of Christian neutrality" back in your day: alternative service. An "offense" a JW would be DF for if they chose that option rather than prison.

  Isn't "new light" wonderful?

  (2) Provide for genuine civilian alternative service that does not violate the religious conscience of individual Jehovah’s Witnesses of military age and to suspend all prosecutions until the law is amended to meet international standards.
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  ABibleStudent

  Thanks jwleaks for the information. Is there anyway to contact the UN to educate UN representatiaves about what type of organization that the WTBTS is (i.e., a dangerous cult and not a religion)?

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  DATA-DOG

  " Is there anyway to contact the UN to educate UN representatiaves about what type of organization that the WTBTS is (i.e., a dangerous cult and not a religion)? "

  I think there is. Let's bury the hatchet with AWAA and let them coordinate a mass e-mail to the UN and OSCE. I don't mean a form letter. I mean we all write from the heart, then they all get sent at once. IF it could be done while protecting everyone's anonimity, I don't see how it could hurt.
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  Vidiot

  Terry - "Covington charged ten thousand dollars to defend the brother and then jumped ship when the Cassius Clay high-profile case came up at the same time."

  A hardly surprising lack of ethics, professionalism, and empathy, considering the same guy testified under oath in the UK that (despite admitting the WTS was guilty of "false prophecies") any JW who refused to submit to the WTS's authority (including said "false prophecies") deserved to die.

  No wonder the GB has been trying to give the appearance of distancing themselves legally from the R&F whilst paradoxically dictating policy even more stringently; they must be f**king terrified of being called to the stand, and simultaneously terrified that disgruntled R&Fers will offer them up as sacrificial lambs to the Legal system.
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  Vidiot

  Data-Dog - "Let's bury the hatchet with AWAA and let them coordinate a mass e-mail to the UN and OSCE."

  That's... actually the kind of thing AAWA would be ideal for (instead of posting pics of flipping the bird at KHs).

  Sail mail might be better, though; a huge pile of envelopes overwhelming the UN and OSCE mailroom staff (assuming they exist) would have a much more visceral impact.

  Don't call the WTS a cult, though; that sets off too many people's warning systems prematurely.

  Call 'em an "authoritarian high control group" (wodrier, but IMO, more accurate), and then demonstrate (through personal testimonies) how the WTS internally violates the principles it outwardly claims to advocate when it utilizes UN and OSCE resources.
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  trujw

  It must be grand to be told what violates your conscience. No no their is no persuasion from the brothers.
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  steve2

  The Watchtower is expert at sh*tting in the nest of the very agency it expects to help them.
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  scotoma

  Appealing to a government authority to make a judgement about law is not the same as participating in the political affairs of the world.

  Voting for a candidate or making oneself a candidate for political office is a different dimension.

  When you vote for someone you are engaging in the appointment of a proxy ruler to represent you.

  When you go to court you are requesting consideration in your particular instance. You are not "ruling" the court you are pleading for justice.

  No doubt the Society rules hypocritically over its members. But that is another situation altogether. You don't have to be irreprehensible to appeal your case. Even criminals have rights. Murderers can request leniency.

  It IS strange to see the Watchtower appealing for "alternative service". That calls into question the divine guidance they were receiving until the mid 1990's.