Bloody good argument, if bled properly

by SixofNine 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Hello Hillary, fancy meeting you here. Take a look at what I have on my cut'n paste clipboard:

    I have yet to find a doctrine which is truly unique to the WTS. Rutherford, Franz and arguably to a slightly lesser degree Russell, were in my opinion intellectual scavengers, who cobbled together a theology from bits and pieces of the robbed doctrinal graves of other peoples ancestors.

    In doing this they have created a sort of theological Frankenstein whom they are gradually losing control of.

    I enjoyed that so much that I was just about to share it with my fellow .com-ers under the heading "Thy Lord 'a' God speaks" or somesuch.

    btw, my friend has finally gotten a mix put to CD with about 8 songs, I need to find a way to share it with you. I also have an JW/media related project I'd love to get your thoughts on. I'll contact you via e-mail in the next few days.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Hillary Step said:

    : My wife once asked Knorr how he could bear to live with the consequences of some of his decisions, his answer, "That is not my problem, or yours, it is God's. All we have to do is obey".

    This really gets to the heart of everything that is wrong with the JW organization. Despite denials from JW defenders, Knorr and today's Governing Body equate whatever they and the Society do as being identical to what God requires. This either means that they are able perfectly to interpret the Bible, or that God inspires them. There are no other ways that their teachings could be identical to God's. Since the Society admits that its teachings are sometimes wrong, only the 2nd choice is left. And we who have dealt with JW leaders for any length of time know very well that, even though they deny direct, plenary inspiration, in practice that is exactly what they believe. If they didn't believe it, they wouldn't disfellowship all JWs who disagree with their fallible teachings.

    AlanF

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Hello Alan,

    In a discussion on this issue earlier this year with Greg Stafford and others, the conclusions that I reached were that it is quite clear that that the WTS is very content to defend its own position with guile and cunning and a singular disregard for ethical honesty.

    I wrote in conclusion the following:

    "The WTS has vacillated in its claims about its own position as Gods spokesman over the past hundred years, but frankly how they describe themselves is an irrelevance. It is what they are percieved to be by their adherents in practice that really counts.

    The WTS says it is neither ‘inspired’ in a supernatural way, nor a ‘prophet’, but merely interpreters of scripture, and yet its adherents are encouraged, often by emotional manipulation, to view them as much more than that in practice. In fact to view them any other way is fraught with danger to the average JW.

    Try for example to suggest to a CO that you are going to make up your own mind as to the interpretation of the prophecies in the book, ‘Isaiah’s Prophecy - Light For All Mankind’, being studied at the moment in the Book Study arrangements. He will of course immediately begin to lecture the obviously ‘weak’ JW about the fact the Faithful Slave have provided this food for their spiritual welfare at the proper time, suggesting by implication that something more than interpretation is happening.

    I view this as a particularly sinister aspect of WTS modus operandi, that is; of defining itself one way in writing, yet being fully aware that to all practical intent it is viewed by its adherents as both ‘inspired’ and a ‘prophet’. This plainly is a calculated policy, which if not lying is certainly allowing the truth to be handled carelessly.

    Are the WTS 'inspired', or 'prophets',? Not by written admission, at least not recently, but they certainly demand and expect a similar respect that is afforded to those who are labeled as such in the Bible.

    Next time a burglar denies he is such, and describes himself as a 're-locator of possessions', be sure to get it in writing. Apparently you would feel much more secure knowing this!"

    Best - HS

  • Francois
    Francois

    Can anyone tell me what's the big deal with "well oiled dishes"?

    If I oiled my dishes, my guests would think I'd gone bonkers!

    Francois

  • TMS
    TMS

    Francois:

    Can anyone tell me what's the big deal with "well oiled dishes"?
    All I know, Francois, is that it tastes great with "wine on the dregs".

    TMS

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