Fahim, my friend, is now an Apostate to ISLAM (page 3)

tec

I've read the Quran. Unless someone is actively fighting against Islam, or against Muslims (and taking their land and possessions, etc), they are supposed to live in peace with others. It does become angry toward Jews in parts, but it was also written during a conflict with them. That may explain the contradicting calls to not make peace with the Jews... and Mohammad's original attempts to have the three Abrahamic religions living in peace. Muslims and Jews have lived side by side and in peace for a long time, with various smaller conflicts. We wouldn't even have the current Israel/Palestine conflict (giving greater rise to extremism in Islam) without the interference from members of christianity.

The Quran is much like any other holy writ, and there are contradictions that I read, some that are probably explained through translation errors and context. But like other writings, a person can find what they need to justify their desire for anger/violence/war... or a person can see the calls for peace, for mercy and forgiveness, for endurance and patience until God comes and judges.

Peace,

tammy

Phizzy

The trouble with the Quran and the Bible is that neither is plain and explicit, so it is open to any interpretation. With Islam especially is this true, as the actual meaning of the text originally is not seen as important, the interpretation by spiritual "scholars" is, they will declare what is lawful and what is not.

That is why the "Hate Preachers" are so effective, to claim that what they preach is not sanctioned by the Quran is not seen as relevant, their intepretation is seen as the very word of Allah by their followers.

The Bible was, and still is, used to justify all sorts of evils, just look at the Westboro Baptist Church and their ilk, but at least the rest of Christendom does not look upon their view as the word of god.

tec

Yes... hence the blind leading the blind.

It is a sad situation.

Peace,

tammy

BluesBrother

Interesting story Terry. Thankfully 99.9 % of the Muslims around here are a pretty moderate people and worlds apart from the fanatical wing

Terry

Today I went with Fahim to an auto auction and it was quite a whelming experience. Not over, not under-just whelming.

About a thousand cars were run through 8 auctioneer lanes at a slow creep while fast and furious bids were made and knocked down.

Fahim needed to nab a Pontiac GT6 requested by a cash customer and one was coming down the line.

I wanted to get a good look at how this was carried off.

Fahim told me, "I'd really like to get it for a little above 5K, if I can. This one has 129,000 miles on it and that's not too great. I doubt

it will go much abover 5 because no dealer could get much out of it."

Here comes the Pontiac and I follow Fahim into a small, cramped area between two red lines and position myself opposite him facing the tally board.

The auctioneer starts his irritating cadence that I'll be buggered if I can understand (let alone tolerate) but I keep my eye on Fahim.

The bid starts slooooow and it looks like it will be an easy job of it.

The bid barely builds and stalls at 5K! The Auctioneer is looking at all of us standing there and I'm watching Fahim across from me. He's looking to see if anybody is going to challenge a sweet deal.

Well, it bumps. And bumps. And bumps.

I watch Fahim become a little too determined to win. (After all, that's the whole idea--isn't it? Get your blood up and you'll go too far?)

I try to get his attention but he is fixated and will not be dissuaded. After all, he's a big boy and is experienced. I'm not.

It goes past 5,500 and Fahim is still going. I raised my eyebrows at him and give him a quizzical look.

Up it goes and goes and goes stalling every few seconds.

Well, long story short, I can't watch anymore because my mentor is going to crash and burn at 6,200 and I it is painful to watch.

I walk over and the hammer goes down.

Fahim isn't too happy.

"Who's the idiot bidding against me"? he asked the Auctioneer who pouts his mouth slightly and gestures his gavel straight at........ME!!

oh?

DOH!

LoisLane looking for Superman

Terry...You made me laugh and laugh and laugh. Is your name LoisLane? lol

I don't understand "Auctioneer" speak, so until I do, not more Auctions for LoisLane .

Just Lois

PS...Terry...Are you funnin ' us and just telling an Uncle Terry story or...duh?

Heaven

Never make any movements at an auction. If you do, it will be taken as a bid.

Terry

I was self-victimized by not paying attention to how subjective the entire auction experience really is.

I wish I had a video of what I was "doing".

Fahim, my friend, is now an Apostate to ISLAM

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