Never discuss politics and religion in polite company, WHY.

by jam 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • jam
    jam

    I think we handle this pretty good here. Maybe because we

    are not able to see the expression on ones face or sense

    ones blood boiling while discussing these topics. LOL

    But I find myself more under control when these subjects

    come up in "polite company".

    Just the other day at a dinner engagement, one of the guest

    (I didn,t know her) started , "I,m saved by God thing". She was

    a drug addict, homeless and etc. (really I was happy for her)

    but then she started this judgmental thing. Our guest included

    two ministers and three agnostic (surprise). My wife grabbed

    my hand under the table, because she knew I was about to jump

    in. So I said, didn,t Jesus say not to judge. All agreed and she went

    quiet. But I look forward someday to a religious discussion (polite or whatever)

    other then here.LOL

  • jam
    jam

    I forgot, there is three things you shouldn,t discuss "sex".

    But I don,t think that,s a problem anymore in polite company.

    Hell, when you see advertising on national TV about this little

    twirling thing that blows your hair back, I don,t think people have a

    problem discussing sex.

  • 5go
    5go

    Do I need to point you to some of the threads on this board as examples of why it is a bad idea too.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I can discuss it with similarly educated friends of all religions. NY is such a melting pot. No one tries to convert anyone. We just ask questions about other religions or denominations. There is respect.

    In fact, I discussed religion briefly at the law firm. Doctrine was not discussed. It was fleeting. Politics we discussed more. Most lawyers are political science or history majors.

    I am in exile now someplace that is not a melting pot. There are some who try to impose their views on me. I try to keep off the subject b/c I will explode. There is a fundamental lack of respect for the other person when only our religion is correct. Some jerks here ask people in normal conversation, "What church do you attend?" I fell for it. Perhaps they were interested me. I said Episcopalian and the response was "I attend the Christian church." I reply Christ would be ashamed of you. End of conversation. Many local people have been deeply hurt by this crowd.

    Within my family, I face deep reproach for not being Roman Catholic. My brother in law is ignorant. IN fact, he is the most ignorant person with a college degree I have ever met. Gays are ridiculed. Black people are mocked. He is an Arab so Arabs are a-0k. I always say I refuse to discuss the matter b/c no respect is present. I discussed it with a local priest-E. She said that he is not discussing religion but using religion as a cover for inhospitable behavior and power plays. Responding in kind is not a good choice.

    When people are zealots, debate or discussion cannot happen. I change the subject or walk away. There are good reasons for the societal norm. I never understood it in Manhattan. The world is not Manhattan, London, or Paris. Besides I am easily triggered b/c of the Witnesses. So I explode.

    Not always. I was in the library the other day and saw someone checking out Sonia Sotomayor's memoir. My plan was to read the book and write her a note. Well, now I had to buy a copy. So I good-naturedly remarked that the book was on the top of my reading list. She was fortunate to have it when it was hot. There is a media blitz. The woman responded that she needed it for a book club. Next, she started to scream all these horrid, vicious things about Sotomayor. They would apply to me. I thought it was a lesson for me. So I politely asked her why she felt so strongly. Did Sotomayor write an opinion with which she disagreed? What struck such deep animus? She stood there and could not respond. There were sputters, but not one word. If she had called her a commie or lesbian, I could take it. I kept my cool and said that regardless of politics, her credentails were better than some of the male justices. I said that Justices Roberts, Alito, and Scalia would agree with me. Thje president in power always has the power to nominate his choices. Another day in ignorance.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Apart from the reasons given here, it's taboo. At least in Australia.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    I only discuss religion and politics on forums. In the real world I am too busy stuffing my face with food and drink to have any intelligent conversation.

  • *lost*
    *lost*

    lol

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    I've never much cared what people want to talk about as long as it's fit for polite company. Back in the 1800s, before there were radios or televisions, people talked about politics and religion, often without resorting to violence.

    In the South, where we were all Methodists, quite often during "dinner" (dinner was at noon, and supper, a lighter meal, was at about 6 p.m., give or take a half hour), we would discuss what we'd heard in church and we commented and critiqued the pastor's sermon. We had lively conversations about how many persons were in the Trinity, whether they were physically one or three separate beings. The pastor seemed to feel that God was one, but manifested himself in three different ways. We didn't much agree with that, but thankfully, no one disfellowshiped us for disagreeing with the pastor! We also talked politics, but mostly we agreed on conservative family values. One big controversy was whether the Democrats had outlived their usefullness as a party and whether folks should split away from it and become Republicans. After all, it was the great Al Smith who declared the party had been betrayed by socialists, communists and fellow travelers.

    This was back in the mid- to late- 60s. NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON was a bestselling book that convinced many of us that our way of life was under attack, and that there were those in government who wanted our youth to be bereft of religion, patriotism, virtue, integrity, education and intelligence—you know, like they are now. Such were sowing the seeds of destruction in the body politic and turning makers into takers. And as Karl Marx said, the best way to destroy a nation is to debauch its currency. All the old folks were still steamed over Truman firing MacArthur and that the Vietnam conflict was the very embodiment of Truman's foolish, inept and gullible globalist policies.

    Other than that, we didn't much discuss much. We let in Jehovah's Witnesses, and my grandfather used to walk across the street and attend something called a "Kingdom Hall," since there were no other churches in walking distance. Although he enjoyed himself, he often came back shaking his head at some of their doctrines. He knew the Bible well and he was pretty sure they didn't.

    Nowadays, when visiting my wife's socialist aunt, I just keep my Teaparty views to myself unless she asks me, then I'll state my view matter of factly. She now swears I've led away my wife into outer darkness.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Just the other day at a dinner engagement, one of the guest

    (I didn,t know her) started , "I,m saved by God thing". She was

    a drug addict, homeless and etc. (really I was happy for her)

    but then she started this judgmental thing._____Jam

    Hello there Jam,

    There's a church in our area that has a congregation full of ex drunks and drug addicts

    I used to be happy for 'em , but I ain't no more

    You can't tolerate those fools while they're sober

    They get all judgmental. Like you ain't worthy if you haven't been the " Prodical Son "

    May God forgive the thought, But that's the time I wish I had a Pint

    or somethin' for them to smoke, jus to shut 'em up

    What's that ol' sayin' ? The bigger the sinner , the greater the saint .

    .

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Certainly in American corporate culture, if you have any substantial power, you keep off these subjects. The conversations I had were brief comments in private moments. Within personal lives of people with the same basic belief, there is much heated debate and discussion. There are business reasons to stay off of touchy subjects. People don't discuss sex, either. Nor do people discuss their psychotherapy sessions. Yet visit any NY public establishment and you cannot overhear these conversations.

    What I discuss privately with friends is one matter. Frankly, I don't have so many friends that I can afford to alienate anyone. Broaching the subject shows lack of judgment in certain circumstances. It is geographical, too.

    I suppose it tells a lot about the culture.

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