WHAT ABOUT THE STUMBLING BLOCKS?

by You Know 116 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • You Know
    You Know

    The underlying assumption of the apostasy is that if the Watchtower falls short to a significant degree then it cannot be Jehovah’s organization. That’s why apostates are hopeful that if enough fault can be found with the organization and brought to the attention of the faithful, then they too will accept the conclusion that Jehovah’s Witnesses are not who we say we are. Unquestionably, many have been stumbled over a multitude of stumbling blocks. But, when faced with error or hypocrisy within the organization the question, though, ought to be: Does the mere existence of a potential stumbling block mean that the Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have God’s backing? The only persons that can really answer that question are Jehovah and Christ.

    According to Jesus stumbling blocks are inevitable. That means that there are going to be errors and transgressions that have the potential to stumble others off the path. Furthermore, Jesus said that things that cause stumbling would exist within his kingdom up until the time that he sends forth his angels to take care of business. Matthew 13:41 says that during “the conclusion of the system of things the Son of man will send forth his angels, and they will collect out from his kingdom all things causing stumbling and persons doing lawlessness.” That prophecy proves that there will be numerous things that cause stumbling within the true religion right up until the moment that Christ arrives for the judgment of his household.

    Jehovah’s judgment of his organization is in recognition of the fact that his people have caused others to stumble. For example, Ezekiel 36:15 says: ‘“And I shall cause no further humiliating talk by the nations to be heard concerning you, and reproach by the peoples you will no more bear, and your nations you will no more cause to stumble,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”’ Jehovah’s word is consistent with the reality before us. Because of numerous failed prophetic interpretations, the bad publicity due to mishandled child-abuse cases, the Watchtower’s association with the United Nations as an NGO, and any number of other scandals, have surely provided the basis for all sorts of “humiliating talk” concerning Jehovah’s Witnesses---both now and going forward. As the prophecy foretells, so we see, that such things constitute enormous stumbling blocks for the very people of the nations that we seek to convert to our faith.

    What’s the solution? Before God grants entry into his new world, His purpose is to judge his people and administer the proper degree of punishment and ultimately to purge his organization of all corruption. Jeremiah 46:28 is Jehovah’s assurance that he will not abandon His people because of their transgressions, it reads: “As for you, do not be afraid, O my servant Jacob…for I am with you. For I shall make an extermination among all the nations to which I have dispersed you, but with you I shall make no extermination. YET I SHALL HAVE TO CHASTISE YOU TO THE PROPER DEGREE, AND I SHALL ABSOLUTELY NOT LEAVE YOU UNPUNISHED.” Gulp!

    But, for those who want to remain in the faith, but who are having a hard time reconciling all the inconsistencies and error that we are confronted with, the Bible provides a satisfying answer. Given the fact that God’s prophetic word recognizes that his witnesses in covenant with him inadvertently cause some to stumble due to our own folly and error, it completely demolishes the reasoning of our apostate enemies. Rather than our many errors proving that we are a false religion, as our enemies contend, because of the fact that God’s word foretells this very scenario, instead it lends weight to the evidence that we are serving God’s purpose. No doubt the apostate will insist that the Watchtower is evil and cannot possibly be Jehovah’s organization and protest that the Bible can be used to prove anything. But, the truth is that Jehovah’s judicial decisions regarding His people are simply incomprehensible to our enemies. So, while God’s word plainly states how God is going to deal with his somewhat wayward organization, apostates are by no means guilt free. Proverbs 4:16 is right on the mark in assessing the way apostate Dubs think, where it says: “Their sleep has been snatched away unless they cause someone to stumble.” While the Watchtower has undeniably set numerous potential stumbling blocks before the brothers, apostates are zealous to exploit and advertise these in an effort to set the stumbling blocks before as many as possible.

    In Jesus’ prophecy of the last days he foretold that many would be stumbled, and yet the Psalms says that for those loving God’s law there is no stumbling block. That means that the very thing that stumbles some doesn’t faze others. Truly, God’s law recognizes that His organization is not measuring up to his standards and it outlines how Jehovah proposes to rectify the situation. So, those who love God’s law can look beyond the error that Satan wants us to focus on, and can see the solution to the paradox that confronts us.

    / You Know

  • MavMan
    MavMan

    Excellent post. Did not think about it that way. Thanks.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    Matthew 13:41 says that during “the conclusion of the system of things the Son of man will send forth his angels, and they will collect out from his kingdom all things causing stumbling and persons doing lawlessness.” That prophecy proves that there will be numerous things that cause stumbling within the true religion right up until the moment that Christ arrives for the judgment of his household.

    There are "stumbling blocks" currently in the Organization, therefore, according to the scripture, we could not be in "the conclusion of the system of things".

    The JWs say that we are in "the conclusion of the system of things", and therefore are false prophets.

    "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
    Believe in yourself, not mythology.
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  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Very many people who leave the truth leave it because of being "stumbled" by people in the Organization. By their behaviour.
    This might seem odd. Why would anyone do that?
    To me it is no more than a Doctrine/ Reality conflict. The organization paints itself as a Utopian brotherhood. Which it is not.
    So those who are stumbled wake up to the lie.
    Others are intellectually convinced of the organizations falsehood thru research of history.
    Either way, The Watchtower is not what it says it is, and is not what those people BELIEVED it to be.
    The key point.

    true, there are a lot of people here on this forum obsessed with "destroying" the Watchtower and leading people into "freedom",getting them out of the org at any cost.
    I am not one of these people.
    What the Organization does is of zero interest to me.
    People who fantsize that the WT will collapse and be exposed publicly are deluding themselves.
    IMO.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    Let me see if I got this straight.

    The fact that the Watchtower doesn't always teach the truth is proof that it teaches the truth.

    Your logic should be measured in RPM.

  • You Know
    You Know
    There are "stumbling blocks" currently in the Organization, therefore, according to the scripture, we could not be in "the conclusion of the system of things".

    That's correct. The last days are not the same thing as the conclusion.

    The JWs say that we are in "the conclusion of the system of things", and therefore are false prophets.
    Chalk it up on the list of stumbling blocks. LOL / You Know
  • Earnest
    Earnest

    YouKnow,

    What you say is doubtless true and the scripture about the love of the greater number cooling off has also been applied to those within the Christian congregation. But the question I have to ask myself (and you) is how this differs from the position of the Catholic Church at the time of the Reformation. Luther wanted to reform from within because he believed everything you have just said applied to the Catholic Church. And he had more evidence then that it was God's organization than we have now regarding JWs.

    Likewise, the same argument could be applied to other churches. If inconsistencies and error and stumbling are evidence for being "the truth" there are an awful lot of faiths that qualify.

    Earnest

  • Naeblis
    Naeblis

    Well if no mistakes they can possibly make are of any import, and the only thing that is important is being faithful to jehovah, why do you need to be part of this particular religion? It would seem to follow that any other religion that is also making errors and mistakes would be just as acceptable.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Jesus said,

    Whoever stumbles one of these little ones...it is more beneficial for him to have hung around his neck a millstone....and to be sunk in the wide, open sea.... Woe to the man through whom the stumbling block comes!--Matthew 18:6,7

    So doesn't this apply to the organization as well? If they through their carelessness or through deliberate machinations stumble a little one, isn't their fate God's everlasting condemnation? If we merely POINT to a stumbling block, that doesn't mean that the block "came through us". We're merely pointing it out, to help a person avoid potential injury!! Pointing out a stumbling block in an organization that claims to be God's sole spokesman on earth in the 21st century is NOT the same as causing one to stumble!! Right?

    -J.R., member, UADNA-MN
    (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Minnesota division)

    This post was not evaluated by any mental health professionals.
    Any opinions expressed are those of a fuzzy, cuddly rodent.

  • You Know
    You Know

    JeffT says:

    Let me see if I got this straight. The fact that the Watchtower doesn't always teach the truth is proof that it teaches the truth.

    No, you don't have it straight. Put more correctly, our errors do not necessarily mean that we are not serving Jehovah's purpose as apostates would have us believe. / You Know

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