144,000 as Kings and Priests Really? or not?

by Crazyguy 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    One must be careful when making assumptions, and so many religions have attempted to define the 144,000 mentioned in scripture.

    Where I feel the Jehovah's Witnesses have missed the proverbial boat is in stipulating that there are two classes of resurrected beings: a great crowd and a smaller number of "other sheep" who will be heavenly beings of spirit.

    Every man (and woman) have the opportunity of receiving the same resurrection as Christ's, and there's no limit to the numbers. The 144,000 are special servants of God who will help gather the elect of God before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. One also must be careful in assuming that because there is a "spiritual Israel" that it replaces the house of Israel. It's not that God substituted the former for the latter, but that the latter was "adopted" or grafted into the former. "For God hath not cast off his people." (Romans 11:1-2)

    If the 144,000 are to be from "spiritual Israel," then why does the apostle take the time to individually list the tribes to be represented? As you stated, those tribes haven't gone anywhere; but God knows who they are and where they are. And if they are priests, even high priests, then they certainly won't take this honor unto themselves, but will be called of God, as was Aaron. And they will be ordained by those with authority. There is nothing to suggest that their resurrections will be any different than yours, mine or anyone else's. They will have special missions, and all will be men (not women); they will go throughout the earth with a special mission. The "great crowd" the apostle sees already are in heaven, "standing before the throne" of God. During the Millennium, the earth will be restored to its paradisiacal state. At the end of the thousand years, things won't just continue on, but the earth will be completely cleansed and glorified, and become like the sun.

    In short, people who "inherit the earth" and are made coheirs with Christ, inheriting all that the Father has will be, in a real sense, gods, having authority (kings) and power (priests) to God and His Father.

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    Keep the following in mind:

    As I explained in a different thread and in an article on my website, the Revelation began to be given to John around the year 41 CE. The apostle Paul was personally made private to the contents of Revelation around the year 49 CE when he personally went to Jerusalem to visit John. The vision of the 144.000 taken from the "twelve tribes of Israel" certainly was pivotal for Paul to develop his theology of the "Israel of God" being the Christian congregation, something he first makes mention to in his letter to the Galatians 6:15,16. Incidentally, this letter was written soon after, between 50-52 CE.

    Paul must have put 2+2 together when he coupled Jesus' words: "The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU [natural Israel, Jews descending from Abraham] and be given to a nation producing its fruits." - (Matthew 21:43) with this new vision that 144.000 were taken from the twelve tribes of Israel (Revelation 7:4) and these tribes didn't match exactly the territorial tribes of ancient Israel.

    Eden

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