1914 gone?? (page 2)

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They categorically won't get rid of 1914, they will just reduce the significance of it, following the pattern already firmly established since 1995.

What they are gearing up for is to announce that when the treestump was unbanded in 1914, this did not symbolise Jesus taking kingdom rule then. They will say that Jesus enthronement as King and the beginning of the Kingdom rule only occurs at the end of the great tribulation once the tree has regrown to its former majestic self.

The tree of Daniel 2 was at its full majestic height when it represented Nebuchadnezzar and was cut down; likewise the tree must be fully regrown and majestic again before it can represent the entroned Jesus. An unbanded tree stump hardly represents Jesus coronation as King.

Witness 007

Its a cornerstone...the cannot dump it completely

Larsinger58

SARAHSMILE: World war 1 was a horrible war but Jesus made no statement that it was more important to recognize the times of the last days.

This is how I'm interpreting Jesus' words:

MATTHEW 24:

4 And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, "

I am seeing a contrast between "wars and reports of wars" which was to be ignored, and "nations will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom" which is a huge conflict, a world war. This is the first sign to pay attention to. "Wars and reports of wars would be a reference to local conflicts" between individual nations; but nations against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms indicates groups of nations taking sides against each other, and thus a major world war. This is why I say that "generation" that would not pass away before the second coming occurs must begin with a world conflict.

Second, the "end" the Jesus was talking about was not Armageddon, it was the "end of the gentile times" or the "appointed times of the nations." The Jews were focussed on when their own homeland would be returned to them? This occurred on November 30, 1947. This means the "end of the system of things" is not Armageddon in Matthew 24.

Thirdly, the "great tribulation" also is not a reference to Armageddon. This "great tribulation" is completely over before the 2nd coming as verse 29 notes: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days... the sign of the son of man will appear..." Plus this tribulation favors women with no children versus those with small children. This tribulation can be escaped if you watch and flee to the mountains. Nobody can escape in the mountains when Armageddon strikes and women without children are just a vulnerable to being whacked at Armageddon if they are unworthy, and all righteous women with children will be spared. So this "great tribulation", aimed at the "chosen ones" and the "holy ones" is a tribulation directly against the natural Jews that occurs just before they come out of exile. This reference to the "great tribulation" is thus a reference to the Holocaust.

Of passing note, though, the "disgusting thing in a holy place" is symbolically fulfilled with Christians due to the focus of the Nazis against both Jews and JWs. Zech 13:8 prophesied that during this great tribulation 2/3rds of the nation would perish, which it did: six million out of nine million Jews (two-thirds).

The final event would be the 2nd coming, when Christ would arrive and send his angels out to start sealing the elect. When you correct the ancient timeline using the VAT4956, which dates year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II to 511 BCE, dismising 568 BCE as revised, then 529 BCE dates the fall of Jerusalem. That means the 2nd coming must occur in 1992 rather than 1914. But of note, 1992 is still within a generation of 80 years (Ps. 90:10) from 1914 (1914-1994).

This is the understanding of those directly involved with the 2nd coming in 1992 and the sealing of the elect. The WTS has been waiting for Armageddon before the end of that generation rather than the 2nd coming. Armageddon occurs at an unscheduled time after Satan has been here in the earth for a while after the second coming. But everything prophesied was fulfilled before 1994 that was prophesied by Matthew, including the "great tribulation" which was the Holocaust, and the "end of the system of things" which means the end of the gentile times, which ended on November 30, 1947. By then the "good news" had reached a world-wide audience, proven by NH Knorr's world-wide speaking tour earlier in 1947. His speaking tour directly fulfills the prophecy about the "good news" being preached worldwide just before the end comes.

This is how I'm interpreting and experiencing this. I know there is room for other interpretations; I respect that.

Larsinger58

The signs of the last days were linked directly with the days of Noah. The last generation of Noah's day before the flood was 120 years. The last generation of 1914 ends in 1994, a period of 80 years. But from 1847-1994 is 120 years! So 1874 is still a credible date for the beginning of the "parousia" though not the second coming, which occurs before the very end of that generation in 1992. 1874-1994 is a generation of 120 years. This represents when Christ would become active in the world again to prepare for the 2nd coming. 1914-1994 is the final generation of signs that would begin with a world war (i.e. nations vs nations and kingdoms vs. kingdoms = a world conflict involving nations joining sides against each other).

Even though the Bible Students didn't fully understand the significance of 1874 and 1914, they still drew attention to those dates in general reference. The parousia began in 1874 and the "last generation" in 1914. Both are still good dates in Bible chronology for those of us of the faithful elect.

Larsinger58

The WTS is very deft at manipulating and twisting understanding. Even so, the averate witness doesn't know what their own beliefs are and even if they don't understand what the WTS sometimes teaches, they are so convinced this is "God's channel" they are afraid to question them and are determined to be loyal to the organization which they feel is the only organization that will lead them to life.

But Jehovah may have other plans. It would seem to me that at one point the true chronology and timeline will become more exposed and the revisoinism during the Persian Period more believable. Once that happens and the option to re-date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE comes to the forefront, then they will be facing the death of 1914 as a credible date for the 2nd coming based on 607 BCE, signaling the secular end of 1914. But facing them will be the alternative, corrected timeline which would date the fall of Jerusalem to 529 BCE, forcing an explanation of the 2nd coming in 1992. What will they come up with?

So all is not in their hands. Jehovah has a hand in manipulating events as well and if Jehovah intends to show them as the true false prophets they are worldwide, then that's his option. Many others of us who already have the truth have long moved on. We have long left the "broad road leading off into destruction" which represents the WTS at this point. Coming up with a clever dismissal or reassurance regarding 1914 will not help those still insistent on remaining on the broad road leading off into destruction. The best the WTS can do at this point is swap one false teaching for another one.

Mum

Many other dates have been abandoned, e.g., 1844 (according to Adventism/Millerism which Russellism grew out of), 1894, 1925, 1975, etc.

They've put themselves in a bind with this one. Ever since the 1950's (and before), when we had our first contact with JW's, they have been preaching the significance of 1914. I can remember sitting and doing calculations from 607 BC.

After the end did not come (at least not visibly ) in 1975, there was talk about how long Adam was in the Garden of Eden before Eve was created, one of the few times a woman was significant in JW "theology."

So we are at last at the point where they don't have a date set. I think they're waiting for a new generation to set a new date. They need people like I was in the 1950's who never heard of the previous dates to hold the carrot in front of.

I am very proud of myself for realizing in the late '70's that I might have to live into old age in this world and needed job skills, a retirement plan, etc. It has made all the difference in my life.

OUTLAW

The WBT$ could drop 1914 with no problem at all..

1975 was a Big Deal..

Now it`s no longer an Old WBT$ Teaching..

It`s a Rumour a few JW`s spread back then..

1914 will go the way of 1975..

It`s a Rumour a few JW`s spread back then..

The WBT$ would like you to

...............................OUTLAW

Finkelstein

1914 was just one of the many doctrines of commercialized Bullshit the WTS. spun up to attract attention to its published literature.

It is also quite obvious that they have been down playing and making little mention of this doctrinal date for awhile now.

I do think that after 2014 passes that they will make further progressive inroads to remove this doctrine all together quietly and discreetly.

Joliette

I dont think 1914 is going to be dropped but I think its not going to be as mentioned as it was 20+ years ago.

snare&racket

NO WAY PEOPLE....... When you boil JW's down it always ends with one last defence 'how did they know aout world war 1 in 1914 then?"

Watchtower quotes .net or jw facts can explain with ease the reality of what they 'predicted', but that aside, the WT wont EVER let this one go, its the only fish that happened to jump into their net.

the scientologists have a great first hook, they use a lie detector to prove they can assess your emotions. A parlour trick that is less impressive than a decent magic trick, but for some it is enough. 1914 serves as that hook to keep the long in J.w's....

They wouldn't dare alter it.....much.

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