What do you think happens when we die?

by cognac 58 Replies latest jw friends

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    See if your local library has this book or order it from Amazon. It's written by a pediatric cardiologist who was once skeptical about near death experiences, but isn't anymore after a young patient coded on the operating table and woke up to draw a picture of the operating room and everything going on during the code. He has collected stories and experiences from doctors and patients and nurses. Someone here accused him of trying to sell books. He could have just as easily written books about atheism and death being the end of it all or books for other cardilologists. I found this book in my local library while just browsing the shelves. I have read other books by Melvin Morse, MD since then. I recommend starting here with this book. It will give you evidence and a lot to think about. And possibly it will give you some hope.

    http://www.amazon.com/Closer-Light-Childrens-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/0816151830

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I recommend watching 'what dreams may come'. Although parts are depressing, i tend to agree w its basic idea.

    S

  • Xanthippe
    Xanthippe

    I don't know is the simple answer to that Cognac, but Soul Survivor by Bruce and Andrea Leininger presents some interesting evidence.

    ISBN 9781848501188

  • flipper
    flipper

    I really do not know. But I don't lose sleep over it. I'm open to the possibility that we may live on as spirits or in some invisible fashion after we die as I have had deceased friends come to me in my dreams at night. At least 3 of them have done so. So I lean in the direction that possibly these deceased friends are trying to communicate something to me or help me in some fashion.

    But I'm also open to the thought that maybe something might not exist after death. But that being said, I don't worry about it. I just try to live life with love, freedom of mind, and peace in my heart towards others who are in my life while I have the life to do so- because none of us will find out what's on the other side in reality until we get there in death ourselves

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    Some parts of the Bible really get it right...

    Eccl. 9:4,5

    4For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. 5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

    I never could figure out how you can reconcile the rest of the Bible with these verses.

    Life after death is the great cosmic delusion. It's a lie.

    All living things want to keep the circle going because that's the definition of life. But once you get off the metabolic path you are less than history.

    Paradise is a world without violent death from murder and warfare. We owe it to our progeny to make progress toward a peaceful earth.

    The fringe benefits from a warless world would be food for all, relief from various diseases and a humane exit when you are tired of it all.

    Science hasn't come up with a shred of evidence that there is anything beyond the chilling description from Ecclesiastes.

    Basically our excrement is the most useful thing we give back to the planet.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    I know!

    I'm a composer. When I die I will start de-composing!

    When I die, I want to go in my sleep like my grandfather, .... not screaming like his passengers!

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    No point to anything? What does that mean? Does it mean that it matters not whether I beat my kids or love them?

  • Found Sheep
    Found Sheep

    nothing we are dead just like life before we were born. I'm OK with it, if i'm wrong would be a plus. Knowing now is all I have makes me make the most of it.

    just my 0.02$

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    http://uglicoyote.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/i-want-a-physicist-to-speak-at-my-funeral/ I Want A Physicist To Speak At My Funeral “You want a physicist to speak at your funeral.

    You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.

    And at one point you’d hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him/her that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let him/her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her/his eyes, that those photons created within her/him constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.

    And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.

    And you’ll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they’ll be comforted to know your energy’s still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you’re just less orderly.” ~Aaron Freeman

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    I am still trying to figure out what the Bible REALLY teaches about death.. Regardless of whether or not Genesis is factual or a re-telling of earlier real accounts, or whether or not God uses evolution, the Bible seems to be vague on what death actually is. I know that some would disagree with me, but hear me out. Also, please keep in mind that I am just thinking aloud and trying to sort things out. I wonder about:

    1) What is a soul? The Bible says that man is a soul. Animals are souls too. What makes us souls? A body and a life-force?

    2) The Bible teaches that everlasting life is a gift from YHWH. Whatever the original purpose for man may have been, it has been altered. So according to the Bible, and other ancient writings we can continue living after our present physical existence.

    3) Jesus said that death is like sleep. The Bible says that the soul that is sinning will die, and that the dead are concious of nothing. What is sleep? What is unconciousness? Are you dead when you are asleep? Why did Jesus say that death is like sleep if it's not? Why not say that death is total non-existence/oblivion? Why did Paul write ( under inspiration ), " What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; 37 and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain, it may be, of wheat or any one of the rest; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and to each of the seeds its own body." 1 Cor:15

    So it seems to make more sense to me that our life-force is not impersonal, like a battery. Otherwise we must be totally re-created if we are to live again. The WTBTS says that God can do this, but why would he? Especially when YHWH is the God of the living? The WTBTS turns around and say that we are alive in God's memory. What does that even mean?

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