OK so if the Bible is crap??

by Crazyguy 52 Replies latest jw friends

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Craz,

    how do all of you that think this, think we got here? And Please don't tell me you believe in evolution, because even the experts are finding major flaws in that theory. So what is your opinion??

    Ok I won't tell you evolution since you said please(you really need to do some serious study of evolution because it is true).

    Zeus got us here, does that sound better than evolution? Also here is a list of creator dieties choose one.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity

    A creator deity or creator god (often called the Creator) is a deity responsible for the creation of the world (cosmos or universe). In monotheism, the single God is often also the creator deity, while polytheistic traditions may or may not have creator deities. [citation needed] A number of monolatristic traditions separate a secondary creator from a primary transcendent being, identified as a primary creator. [1]

  • African contexts:
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  • Oceanic contexts:
    • Ranginui, the Sky Father, and Papatuanuku, the Earth Mother in Maori mythology
  • Platonic demiurge [edit]

    Main article: Demiurge Further information: Neoplatonism and Gnosticism and Great Architect of the Universe

    Plato, in his dialogue Timaeus, describes a creation myth involving a being called the demiurge (δημιουργ?ς "craftsman"). This concept was continued in Neoplatonism and Gnosticism. In Neoplatonism, the demiurge represents the second cause or dyad, after the monad. In Gnostic dualism, the demiurge is an imperfect spirit and possibly evil being, transcended by divine Fullness (Pleroma). Unlike the Judeo-Christian God, Plato's demiurge is unable to create ex-nihilo.

    Monolatrism [edit]

    See also: Brahma

    Monolatristic traditions would separate a secondary creator from the primary transcendent being, identified as a primary creator. [1] According to Gaudiya Vaishnavas, Brahma is the secondary creator and not the supreme. [4] Vishnu is the primary creator. According to Vaishnava belief Vishnu creates the basic universal shell and provides all the raw materials and also places the living entities within the material world, fulfilling their own independent will. Brahma works with the materials provided by Vishnu to actually create what are believed to be planets in Puranic terminology, and he supervises the population of them. [5]

    Monism [edit]

    Main article: Monism

    Monism has its origin in Hellenistic philosophy as a concept of all things deriving from a single substance or being. Following a long and still current tradition H.P. Owen (1971: 65) claimed that:

    "Pantheists are ‘monists’...they believe that there is only one Being, and that all other forms of reality are either modes (or appearances) of it or identical with it."

    Although, like Baruch Spinoza, some pantheists may also be monists, and monism may even be essential to some versions of pantheism (like Spinoza's), not all pantheists are monists. Some are polytheists and some are pluralists; they believe that there are many things and kinds of things and many different kinds of value. [6] Not all monists are pantheists. Exclusive monists believe that the universe, the God of the pantheist, simply does not exist. In addition, monists can be Deists, pandeists, theists or panentheists; believing in a monotheistic God that is omnipotent and all-pervading, and both transcendent and immanent. There are monist pantheists and panentheists in Hinduism (particularly in Advaita and Vishistadvaita respectively), Judaism (monistic panentheism is especially found in Kabbalah and Hasidic philosophy), in Christianity (especially among Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, and Anglicans) and in Islam (among the Sufis, especially the Bektashi).

    In Advaita Vedanta, Brahman is the abstract notion of "the Absolute" from which the universe takes its origin and at an ultimate level, all assertions of a distinction between Brahman, other gods and creation are meaningless (monism).

    Buddhism [edit]

    The Buddha explicitly rejects a creator, [7] denies endorsing any views on creation [8] and states that questions on the origin of the world are worthless. [9] [10]

    Some gods in Buddhism have the view that they are creators of the world. For example, Baka Brahma . However, Buddha pointed out to them that they do not know the whole extent of the universe (he said they have no knowledge of some of the highest heavens), and further, the spiritual power of the Buddha was greater than the spiritual power of these gods who thought they created the world. One of the Suttas dealing with this subject is the Kevatta Sutta.

  • DJS
    DJS

    I don't know and I gave up caring a long time ago. Science makes more sense to me; the Bible spin makes none. I read a very good quote from a well known atheist recently. He noted that if we wiped out all existing knowledge of both science and relgion and started over from scratch that religion would look very different but science wouldn't change a bit. That kinda sums it up for me.

    The Bible is, to me, simply the Jewish 'spin." I have respect for it but I also have respect for Buddha's writings and others that pre-date the Jewish/Christian belief system.

    If there truly was a god or gods that cared about us as his/her/its children, I would think that they/it/he/she would have made things a LOT DA$$ clearer than they are in the Bible or any other relgous book.

    But I put this to "bed" a long time ago and have used my energies for most positive pursuits.

  • jam
    jam

    For people who have never read the Bible, it,s not crap

    because it give comfort and the answers why we are here.

    The same as if you are a good boy Santa Claus will stop by

    tonite. If one read the bible, the entire bible you can not come away

    without thinking this is a load of crap.

  • Tater-T
    Tater-T

  • designs
    designs

    Personally I'm leaning towards the turtle swimming in the cosmic ocean.

  • LostGeneration
    LostGeneration

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html

    Genesis 1 pretty much sums up your thread title.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    even the experts are finding major flaws in that theory

    What are the flaws and who are the experts?

  • The Quiet One
    The Quiet One

    Crazyguy-- Do you believe in the original Adam+Eve story?

  • Sapphy
    Sapphy

    Humans have something like 98% of the same DNA as a chimp, and 50% the same DNA as a banana. So, logically, humans were formed from the forbidden love of a chimp and a banana.

    Or maybe we're just living inside a working model made by some lazy computer programmer who likes to re-use his code (DNA).

    Or if you care about evidence & suchlike... it was a long process of natural selection.

    But I like the chimp/banana theory.

  • GromitSK
    GromitSK

    It depends what you mean by crap. The bible isn't a single book with one author, it's composed of many books. Some of the content is doubtless historically accurate, some is myth, some of it is political propaganda, some of it religious control, and some is bonkers. Trying to treat it is as a single, coherent message from 'god' doesn't seem very sensible to me.

    As for evolution, what is the objection to it? Even a cursory view of the evidence to support it shows it holds water and cannot be dismissed.

    I am curious to know what the failings in the understanding of the evolutionary process are. I am sure there may be some elements of it that are not fully evidenced, but fitting the picture together and acknowledging any gaps just seems honest to me.

    If the need to reject evolution is because it conflicts with the bible then the argument is already lost as far as I can see.

    I think it's more likely that bananas evolved into chimps rather than a straight mix of DNA. I don't think they are sexually compatible. Or that bananas and chimps shared a common ancestor :)

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