Well, frankie, the US Supreme Court does not agree with you. It's their opinion you have to change.
Manditory Security Clearence and Identification Badge For Any Door to Door Canvassers Religous or Commercial
by frankiespeakin 30 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
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5go
Sorry blondie but they do, Churches have to comply with OSHA requirements for health and safety. Don't think they didn't fight it they did and lost. They argued it interfered with freedom of worship and the court said freedom of religion does not trumps health and safety of the public or members of the church. That is part of the reason why quick builts aren't so quick any more.
Again the requirement was that the law had to be for public safety a town near by has instituted this and so far it has stuck the JWs are fighting it but the reason the town wanted it was because they didn't want sexual predators going door to door doing anything period. They weren't targeting witnesses at all. Add on to that all one has to do get the permit is pass a simple background check IE the police check to see if you are on a sex offender list there is no fee.
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blondie
The thing if fighting child abuse is the goal, it is a bigger problem than the WTS. If the WTS disappeared tomorrow, the danger to children would still be there. The thing is that the laws have to be expanded and enforced. The focus just can't be the WTS but every religion, and other organizations that pedophiles use to hide in and behind. As I said 60% of pedophiles are family, family friends, trusted neighbors, people who don't need a background check.
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5go
Yep I agree sex offender resgistries are useless. But the public insists on them so they can Scarlet A the ocasional incidental nudist for life. We can't have kids asking questions about sex it's easier to just ruin someone's life than explain why the sexes are diffrent.
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tresdecu
I understand the arguments about freedom of speach...but I don't see a problem to having to get some kind of permit to go door to door. You have to get a permit to drive, permit to build something on your property, etc, etc...
I wouldn't have a problem if the watchtower needed to pay a permit fee for ea witness going door to door...say $10 per year, per pub in the US. Would we all like to see the WTS have to shell out 10mil.
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Simon
I think you have to consider the practicalities and enforceability of any laws.
It's similar to computer security: rather than looking at having a blacklist of people who are blocked which is difficult to maintain and police and always behind the times, it's better to focus on genuine security.
i.e. teach people how to talk to strangers, not to let them into their home, educate them on scams etc ...
Security clearances would be impractical IMO and also of limited real protection (if any at all).
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Chaserious
You have to get a permit to drive, permit to build something on your property
Yes, but at least in the U.S., speech is protected in the constitution, and driving and building a deck are not. It would be considered a prior restraint on speech, which is almost never allowed. Why not just impose a lifetime ban on door-to-door cavassing upon those convicted of sexual assault? Wouldn't that have the desired effect without making every innocent person get a license?
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rebel8
Why not just impose a lifetime ban on door-to-door cavassing upon those convicted of sexual assault?
As it stands today, anything that appears to be limiting free speech or practice of religion is going to be fought and probably shot down. What I've heard judges sentence perps to that encompasses this, without cherry picking religious activity, is to restrict or prohibit contact with children.
Lifetime prohibition--I wish. I treated a few pedophiles and I'm totally convinced they cannot be effectively treated or cured. But the laws and public do not support my position--it seems penalties are designed to give criminals a chance to rehabilitate.
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The Quiet One
Jw's aren't canvassers, are they? They don't solicit votes, contributions or trade.. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=canvasser
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Chaserious
As it stands today, anything that appears to be limiting free speech or practice of religion is going to be fought and probably shot down.
Well, I'm not positive that what I suggested would hold up, but it certainly would stand a better chance than the zero chance of making people get licenses to go door-to-door. Restrictions of rights incident to criminal convictions tend to stand up a lot better than those targeted at the general population.