i was on many jcs but i was usually the one willing to extend mercy,not the one wanting salacious details(like did you orgasm and did you enjoy the sex) and there were ones who acted like police interigators on law and order,when my jc came along i got the law and order version red faces loud voices and pointing fingers,when i was dissmissed so tney could make their "decision" i could hear boistrous laughter from the room,there are some truly evil people in that orginization,who relish the suffering of the rank and file.Many who lord their perceived power over the r&f,and seek followers of themselves,i also know there are many who have seen these things but choose to look the other way so as not lose their friends and family,but sadly eventually the wolves come for you and theres no voice of reason for your benifit.I appologize for the rambling and spelling,but the wound is fresh and the feelings just come pouring out
Former Long Time Elder - Judicial Committees
by James Jackson 40 Replies latest watchtower bible
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torrent
James brings up something that I am surprised not to see mentioned here more often. Children should not not be babtized. Jesus was babtized at the age of 30, not because he needed to be cleansed of his sins, but to set an example for his followers. I was raised a witness from age 5 and cohersed into babtism at the age of 14. My highschool years were a living hell, with disfellowshipping being held over my head all the time. I made it through that and finally came to my senses, but know a lot of my friends in the congregation that were a mess. They were shunned by family, dropped out of highschool, got into drugs, ended up in prison, and in two cases, took their own life.
If nothing else convinced me of that this was not God's organization, this one subject area really clinches the deal.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
The most hateful part of the process I think was the incompetence of the Organization to help the brothers and sisters before they got into spiritual problems. Time was consumed with "busy work", honestly I can say when I wanted to help with calls to upbuild the friends, the other brothers were too tired to make room for Sheep Calls. I was told to stay away from a few sisters that might be straying, I went out in service with the Six Sister Car Mob and we smoothered her with love and one brother (me) and six sisters helped upbuild this sister.
We had eleven elders, three worked out of town five to seven days a week during the great construction boom. How come those elders were not removed, the Circuit Overseer could never answer that question. These three elders would show up and act like they had the Pulse of the Congregation and pretend to give a rat's ass about the Sheep! One of the elders had his daughter do the nasty and get divorced as many times as Liz Taylor and when he was finally removed, his rage knew no boundaries. The other two elders would find time to make sure they were there during the COs visit, funny how they find time to play the game with the CO yet avoid the Flock they promised to oversea.
Adultery, Homosexuality, Bestiality, Incest, theft, shoplifting, stealing, Drunk Driving, Orgies, sex in the back seat in field service. The biggest mess was we had a very holy brother who came down from San Fransisco. He had a woman on every street and a man on every corner it seemed, how were we suppose to handle this idiot who lied about his bi-sexuality and made excuses why three of his return visits were pregant with his child. His wife never was the same when he explained he was not "impotent" but after nine months of marriage "he told her she made him sick and it was her fault he had been cheating on her for the last five years (She knew him for a year, a fast courtship because good men are hard to find in the Organization!), how do you reason with that promising upcoming rising star elder? The Society had great hopes for him and now he is down in Santa Monica or Venice Beach, last I heard he was going in for the opperation! I kid you not!
It's all horse crap to make people with no marriage counseling experience, no experience helping depressed and suicidal tendancy sheep to put faith in us. Nobody had what it takes to help the really messed up people yet the Watchtower was cut and dry on what needed to be done. I don't care what the Organization or the Traveling Overseers say, when we dealt with gray-areas, a backlash would eventually come back to hammer those on the committee. They can keep that job that gave me ulcers and emotional distress, the friends were great but I regret following those stupid men who made everything out to be a black-and-white Bible based DF or PR. It makes me sick talking about this, enough of it!
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James Jackson
As a side note, since my deletion, there is a young person who is DF ( I was on the JC), that when I run in to her at Walmart I say hi to and sometimes make small talk with her. She had fornicated, got pregnant, had the kid and got married to the fellow. She has no desire to come bacl to JW's. I feel really sorry for her, because she is a good kid, respectful, very pleasant to talk to. I think she has forgiven me for being harsh to her.
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XBEHERE
Regretfully, I too, have been a party to Df'ings. I am sick to my stomach that I was ever involved with that unscriptural procedure.
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Separation of Powers
James said, "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment." I think that just about sums it up for those that affected the lives of so many.
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sarahsmile
Hello
Welcome, I can see that your searching for answers.
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Tech49
James, I have participated in a few Judicial Committee meetings as well. I was always taught, by some very good brothers that I still look up to, that the brothers should not EVER ask for the gory little details, especially if it was a sister, sex was involved, etc etc. The deed was done, no matter the details, they werent important.
I was always taught to err on the side of Foregiveness, that's what Jesus would do, right? A key question I learned, to TRY and reason on someone's real heart condition..... was... Are they really WICKED, or were they just WEAK? VERY few people are truly wicked at heart. Angry, upset, full of emotion, lashing out, raving mad, sure. But wicked.... no.
On another side of the coin..... TRUE STORY:
I was the Book Study overseer for a long time, at the KH. Now, for those of you that don't know, if you are disfellowshipped, and want to attend the Book Study (when we still had it), you went to the KH. So I got 'em all. Some would come for a bit, then we would never see them again. Some were crazies, some were passing in the wind...
A few however, were different, and genuinely wanted to stay. It was sad really, but Ms Harper and I did what we could for them.
We would always include them in our "goodie nights"...... right before we concluded, Ms Harper would head to the back, and make a plate of goodies for the DF ones that had to make a break for the door, right after the "amen". She always met them at the door, gave them a plate, a smile, put her hand on their arm, and a quiet little "it was nice to see you here, see you again soon..."
Even on "non-goodie" nights, Ms Harper would casually take a bathroom break right before the closing prayer was said, and would just happen to be hanging out in the back when the DF folks would head for the door. She had plenty of good bathroom "conversations" with some of them too, during the bookstudy as well. We were always on the edge for that stuff, and got quite a few eyebrows raised at us, but no one EVER got in our face about it, they knew it was the right thing to do, even if they didnt have the guts to do it!
You would not believe what an impression that made! Several individuals commented later that sometimes our little efforts to just acknowledge them were what got them thru the day.
Speaking of that, I have always had a problem with the DF arrangement for that reason. These people arent DEAD for goodness sake! Nor are they invisible! Smile and say hi! Maybe they don't want to be a part of this stuff anymore, but they're still human!
I will ALWAYS acknowledge someone, with a wink, or a smile, or a nod, or whatever....... its cruel not to. CRUEL. Inhuman Assh***s. This isnt the stone age.
OK, sorry, got sidetracked there..... back to your regular programming.....
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sarahsmile
"Since my deletion over my son's DFing, I feel like Paul in this weeks Bible reading, the "scales" have fallen off my eyes."
I am sure you will have plenty more of those moments. Like every thing you read from the WTBTS. Soon you will just have notes proven them wrong.
Are you considered a former elder? Your right about JW children and baptism. However, other churches and their elders are taught to help and pray for their children as well as members. They want their children baptized without the threat of getting dfd. Most churches practice disfellowshipping without shunning. Not to make a public shamming on the disfellowshipped. The church I visited said they have not disfellowshipped in 30 years. Did your son confess his sins? Where does it say in the bible that people who confess their sins should be disfellowshipped? I would like to know if you are an elder at this time? I hope you and your wife will fade together. Welcome -
Crazyguy
I was never an elder but a good friend of mine was only 18 and date raped by a guy from her school who feigned interest and even studied for a while. He was all over her like white on rice and she was too shy and meek to really get him to leave her alone. Anyway after the rape she became pregnant and did not go to the elders until the baby was showing about 4 months in. They Df her most likely because she did not go to them ASAP, they never seemed to consider that it was rape, i think it was more about them. Should've left the ORG then.