The Irish have now ‘become pagan’, some Catholic bishops believe.

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  • Sol Reform
    Sol Reform

    After clerical sex abuse scandals / 'slave labour' at Magdalene Laundries (nun-controlled laundries) ? And they're shocked?

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/irish-have-become-pagan-some-catholic-bishops-believe-1.1440835

    Irish have 'become pagan', some Catholic bishops believe Association of Catholic Priests told the people 'have bought into evils of materialism'

    Druids perform a pagan style blessing ceremony at Stonehenge. Photograph: Chris Ison/PA.
    Patsy McGarryTopics:NewsSocial AffairsReligion & Beliefs

    Mon, Jun 24, 2013, 09:42

    First published: Mon, Jun 24, 2013, 07:30648

    The Irish people "have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan" in the opinion of "a substantial number" of Ireland's Catholic bishops and some priests, a new report from the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) has said.

    It said "there seems to be a substantial number of bishops, and some priests, who believe that the problems we are facing are not due to any difficulties in the Church or with the priesthood, but are caused by a lack of faith in the people.
    "The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan. And they believe that 'evangelisation' is the answer." But "there didn't seem to us to be any practical ideas, or indeed energy, around how this evangelisation could be progressed," it said.
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    The association's leadership team has so far met priests' councils in the Catholic dioceses of Dublin, Waterford, Kerry, Killaloe, Clonfert, Tuam, Elphin, Achonry, Killala, Clogher, Kilmore, Armagh and Ossory and Raphoe.
    The meetings followed the refusal of the Irish Episcopal Conference to meet the association. Instead, the bishops suggested the association meet priests' councils in each diocese.
    In a report on its meetings to date, the association said that in all cases, except one, the bishop of each diocese attended the meetings and in that one case timing meant the bishop could not attend.
    As regards the economic situation, "priests told us that they are slow to preach about it because it is hard to say anything without straying into the political realm, and most priests try to stay away from that", the report said.
    "Almost every priest we met agreed with us that the New Missal is very unsatisfactory, and a hindrance in the proper celebration of the Eucharist. One or two bishops tried to defend it, but most also agreed that it was not a good development."
    At the meetings, the association also "highlighted the fact that that there are now sufficient numbers of false allegations against priest to cause concern."
    Where the association itself was concerned, it said there was praise for its work in supporting priests. "But there were also individuals (and in a few cases more than individuals) who were critical of us, seeing us as 'darlings of the media who want to destroy the church', and being a cause of division."

  • metatron
    metatron

    I wonder where Druids stand on covering up child molestation?

    metatron

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I never thought that materialism and consumerism were pagan. The catholic church has never had a problem w having slave labor around.

    S

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    The Irish people "have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan"

    I see that as a great improvement. That has made my day.

    Although I don't think their definition of pagan is correct.

  • mP
    mP

    By definition you cant be Pagan if your Catholic. Catholic means universal not single, its that church that adopts all gods and so on. The Roman Catholic church was originally the instrument of the state to manage the priests and religious matters of all religions in the empire. As we know religious leaders can be powerful weapons in directing hte locals at violence or cooperation.

  • fakesmile
    fakesmile

    hahaaa. the vatican equivelent of mccarthyism.

  • Shador
    Shador

    Sounds like they should say "secular" or "nonreligious" rather than pagan.

    Here I was all excited thinking there was a major revival of the Old Ways going on.

  • Pterist
    Pterist

    ****the Irish have become pagans********

    Hey, I RESEMBLE that remark !.........lmao

  • *lost*
    *lost*

    The Irish ... were pagan's to start with.

    Before the spread of christianity and then the take over by the RCChurch and then the onslaught of the Commonwealth.

    For anyone that may be interested in how the Church ruled the Irish with and iron fist in a velvet glve, research Archbishop McQuaid and Devalera. The RCChurch conrolled the Irish Political system and the people.

    People began to see through the church a long time ago, and 30 yrs ago they started to break the grip of control.

    Her list of 'sins' are massed high up to heaven.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Sounds very much like the WT "There is nothing wrong with us, it is you, the R&F JW who has left, who is wrong".

    Blame the people, it cannot possibly be the Church at fault.

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