Dateline story

by Smitty 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I would think too that the fact that the Catholic Church doesn't send its pedophiles to your door - where your kids might be home alone with a JW pedophile at the door might have a significant impact on a lot of people. Let's face with the Catholics it is mostly Catholic kids who are at risk. With the JWs the number of potential victims becomes staggering - at least in the minds of those people at the door.

    How many people would be willing to leave their child alone with a JW after that show?

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  • LB
    LB
    With the JWs the number of potential victims becomes staggering - at least in the minds of those people at the door.

    I agree that the Catholic Church doesn't send the their child molestors to your door. But sadly JW's are a very minor religion. Maybe during summer reruns they'll find the time to air the story.


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  • JuliG
    JuliG

    I just sent the first of what will be daily emails to Dateline. I will also pass the word along to others waiting to see this story run to do the same.

  • moman
    moman

    The majority of dubs come out of the Catholic Church & they have been rubbing it in. I think the Catholic back-lash will be great!

  • Moxy
    Moxy
    So far about 10 Preists have been exposed as pedophiles. Let's assume that the problem among Catholics in the USA is 100 times worse, say 1,000 Preists ... for 62,000,000 Catholics. That means only 2/100ths of 1% of Catholics are Pedophiles (0.000016129). Whereas if we take 5,300 JW pedophiles for 930,000 JWs in the USA means just over 1/2% or 0.005698925.

    amazing, im sorry. youre just not very good at it. this single paragraph contains so many errors i dont even want to touch it. just error piled on top of error....

    mox

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    I fail to see the benefits of wild speculating on how many pedophiles exist within JW's. If anything the numbers this crowd keeps coming with are just plain embarrassing for this community and damaging to the credibility of those constantly bringing them up without providing any proof.

    Anyhow, the debate is not over that pedophiles exist, or how many exist within JWs. Whether there is one or 23000+ molesters, an organization needs a socially acceptable policy that addresses the situation in the best possible manner. Let's stick to the issues.

    Path

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    First, Expatbrit. The 23,000+ number that SilentLambs refers to is for JWs WORLDWIDE. The victims may not be ALL JW children. Most JW molesters I knew about molested far more non-JW children. The issue is about victims, whemever they may be.

    MOXY:

    "amazing, im sorry. youre just not very good at it. this single paragraph contains so many errors i dont even want to touch it. just error piled on top of error...."
    To state that a peragraph of mine is so riddled with errors that you do not want to touch it, is to say the least rather intellectually lazy, considering that it is a short paragraph. I will help you out here. Let's look at the problematic paragraph:

    "So far about 10 Preists have been exposed as pedophiles. Let's assume that the problem among Catholics in the USA is 100 times worse, say 1,000 Preists ... for 62,000,000 Catholics. That means only 2/100ths of 1% of Catholics are Pedophiles (0.000016129). Whereas if we take 5,300 JW pedophiles for 930,000 JWs in the USA means just over 1/2% or 0.005698925."
    Let's see what is the serious error:

    So far about 10 Preists: Over the last 20 to 30 years far more than 10 preists in the USA have been found to be pedophiles. I was referring to more recent news events where the Diosese of Boston, Chicago, Miami, and San Diego have discussed asbout 10 Preists in the news. There are more, I am sure. Which leads to:

    10 x 100 times worse = 1,000: I admit that I cannot establish that there are currently 1,000 USA Catholic Priests who are pedophiles. I used that figure to make sure I was CONSERVATIVE, which is a common practice in analysis ... it rules out comparative error.

    " ... for 62,000,000 Catholics. That means only 2/100ths of 1% of Catholics are Pedophiles (0.000016129)." My error here was generalizing all USA Catholics. There are non-Clergy Catholics that are pedophiles, but I have no way of knowing that number.

    WORLDWIDE there are over 1,000,000,000 Catholics. The 62,000,000 number is based on what is reported in 2000 for USA Catholics. I will concede that IF we knew the approximate number of all Catholic pedophiles in the USA, the percentages would be different, but I doubt any worse than the JW religion. The law of large numbers would play out well given the vast numbers of Catholics we are discussing. However, I suspect that there are more pedophiles in the JW religion per capita.

    Whereas if we take 5,300 JW pedophiles for 930,000 JWs in the USA means just over 1/2% or 0.005698925. The over 23,000 that Silent lambs uses is worldwide. Based on a fairly extensive Poll I took last July, I was able to exreapolate over 5,300 JW pedophiles in the USA ... this is not hard to achieve, and the numbers are now proving more consistent given Silent Lambs learning of the worldwide number.

    EVEN IF: My numbers for JW pedophiles is inflated some, and the Catholic numbers are much higher ... the point of the comparison is to show that relatively speaking, the Catholic problem does not dwarf the JW problem. Rather they are likely about the same, or the JW problem is worse.

    The issue is that the Watchtower has no room to talk against the Roman Catholic Church, and therefore, the NBC Dateline program wouild be a significant blow to Watchtower, Inc.

    So what again is your basis for my analysis be so seriously riddled with error that you cannot even address it?

    Law of Large Numbers Revisited: Let's assume that the Catholic problem is equal to the JW problem. Take 62,000,000 USA Catholics x 0.0056 (slightly over 1/2%) and you get 347,200 Catholic pedophiles. For the USA as a whole, if we take 280,000,000 x 0.0056 and you get 1,568,000 pedophiles in the USA. This result is not provable at this time, but several anti-pedophile groups are compiling statistics, and the numbes are believed to be staggering.

    [b]So, again, if I made a math error, point this out. If I made an analysis error, given the short prargraph, and you feel secure in your opinion that I am screwed up, then just show it, and don't hide behind excuses about how it is too much to tackle. For if you have greater expertise, that at a glance you can derermine great error, then share it ... if I am in error, I will admit it and I have done on other ocassions.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    10 x 100 times worse = 1,000: I admit that I cannot establish that there are currently 1,000 USA Catholic Priests who are pedophiles. I used that figure to make sure I was CONSERVATIVE, which is a common practice in analysis ... it rules out comparative error.

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    If were going to compare "PRIESTS" then why don't we compare "PRIESTS"

    If we are going to compare the number of perverts per religion then why don't we do just that also?

    I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that of all the Catholics in the world it is ONLY THE PRIESTS who are guilty of molesting children. GET REAL.

    No I take that back. I KNOW SOME CATHOLICS who are guilty and of them only one was a PRIEST. I PERSONALLY know of 7 who are Catholic.
    2 are DEAD now thank god and 3 are in prison and 1 is now a homeless bum soon to be offed no doubt.


    No matter how thin you slice it there are always two sides
  • Francois
    Francois

    Fred, you know how we all love you, you little mascot you.

    But I think a bunch of us should tie you to a bed and slip a soldering iron up your ass, turn it on and leave. Then perhaps you would develop a proper compassion for little girls who are raped by grown men, you dumb sonofabitch.

  • sunscapes
    sunscapes
    Yet, the policy of the Watchtower Society has not been to have these peodphiles turned over to the authorities.

    AND, the policy of the Watchtower is to require two eye-witnesses to establish guilt (unless ya right somebody confesses to it)

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