http://www.amazon.com/Madam-Foreman-A-Rush-Judgement/dp/0787109185
So B37 can't write a book but 3 jurors from the OJ Simpson trial can?
Zimmerman Not guilty
by mouthy 480 Replies latest social current
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The Florida jury spoke, but idiots in Los Angeles and Oakland are engaging in civil unrest.
They will use anything as an excuse to riot. The Lakers didn't win this year, but George Zimmerman did, so let's go smash some windows, loot some stores, and assault the vulnerable. Yay!
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Simon
But being a gun owner carrys lots of responsibility....And GZ should not be allowed that right.
Why does anyone want to carry a gun if you are not allowed to use it? What's the point? Get a plastic one for decoration and save a few $
I hear a lot of rhetoric, not a lot of reason.
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Simon
Civil Rights has been corrupted - it originally was to literally have the same rights as white people such as to vote, to sit on a bus, to go to public pools etc... Now it means what? To be treated differently under the law? Why?
This is an example of ignorance.
You make a claim there but it is just that - a claim with nothing to back it up.
Civil rights = the same rights for all in society with everyone equal in the eyes of the law.
Can you please name me any law that says black people do not have a right that white or hispanic people do?
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Simon
I'll have to admit that at 1st I was surprised as well considering Simon's interaction on threads about such things as gun control but then I realized belatedly that he was simply being honest and seeing this case as what it was, Race Baiting.
I can see why some would be confused but it's quite simple:
I don't think having citizens armed with guns is a good thing. There are too many guns about.
If a gun is used legally in self defence then the person has done nothing wrong.
These do not contradict. If anything the 2nd reinforces the reason for the 1st opinion. It would be hypocritical to have any other opinion and I think those who say that guns should be allowed while claiming GZ shouldn't have used his are the ones trying to simultaneously hold two counter-viewpoints at once.
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TimeBandit
Like it or not the jury found him innocent. I have to say I did a little happy dance when I saw the headline (because I feel justice was served). Debates like this one seem to prove the old saying true : 'Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and everyone else's stinks'.
How many of you changed your thinking because of what someone here posted? Probably not too many....To me, TM was just a troubled punk who made his bed and then layed in it after GZ sang him a lullaby...
I'd like to see media coverage of crimes against whites being sensationalized by the media. Crimes like this one that got barely any news coverage and was kept ouiet until recently:
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sammielee24
In this specific case, there has never been any evidence that Zimmerman is guilty of racism. At all. No evidence that he profiled Martin because of his color - and yet, we have the NAACP and paid promoters still trolling the airwaves inciting riots. Why? The jury found Zimmerman not guilty. The FBI did an investigation into whether or not this was racially motivated. Came up empty.
So can someone tell me why rioting? Can someone tell me why the NAACP is still all over the media screaming revenge? Can someone tell me how it is legal for the State Attny and prosecution to go on television and proclaim Zimmerman a murderer even though he has been tried and found not guilty? Can someone tell me how the media has any right to voice their opinion that Zimmerman is a racist - thereby inciting riots and threats against an entire family when there is no proof?
What is it that people really want?
It's a little hard to figure out how smashing windows and beating people down and looting is justified because I'm not sure what the issue is here.
On the one hand a man was tried according to the legal system in the USA. The government of the USA didn't allow the local investigation to follow through to completion and instead grabbed hold of it and ran all over Zimmerman because apparently there was some dirt out there or something to prove. The State, the Federal government and the Prosecution put on their case. The media had Zimmeman convicted and hung even before the trial began. Everyone got their shot and in the end, a jury, the method of law in the USA - found the man not guilty. That should be the end of it.
sammieswife
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Simon
And unless you have been black in America...you probably will not understand the pain of this situation or do not care. That's ok
That could easily be changed to "If you are black in America you will not look at this as objectively as an outsider" but that would be too easy and glib.
The truth is people are making claims but when challenged on them the claims seem to evaporate. What impression does that leave? For me it sounds like people are inventing issues where none exist and this case is a perfect example of that.
Now, I do not believe that these issues don't exist. I think racism, descrimination and harrassment is a real thing and despicable and because of that I get angry when people take advantage of those feelings to push and try and sell something else, typically for self-promotion. Taking advantage of a family's grief to do so. They gave that family false hope and manipulated them for their own 'cause'.
How can you not be angry at someone using the pain and suffering of the family and of people like Emmett Till and Medgar Evers for basically personal promotion and self-gain? How can you not be outraged that they have given people who may have wavering opinions on the issues an excuse to say "oh, blacks, they always claim things are because of race but look at that trial that wasn't ...". It undermines the legitimate complains of real crimes by doing that and I cannot fathom people not only not attacking that but instead actually supporting and promoting it!
Being 'blind to color' includes not seeing when it is being used wrongly.
This is why I believe that the current talk of "the biggest Civil Rights issue of the century" by so called self-appointed black "leaders" is disgraceful and should be challenged because to not do so is an insult to the people who genuinely suffer because of real incidents.
You may not think I'm on your side but I believe that is because you don't read what I actually said carefully and instead possibly jump to conclusions or go off other people's descriptions or baseless claims.
This case was not about race. Period. Opinions of the guilt or innocence of George Zimmerman are NOT a reflection or anyones views on race and interpreting the belief that people who thing GZ is innocent and was railroaded is to do with color is, I believe, simply racist.
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Simon
So can someone tell me why rioting? Can someone tell me why the NAACP is still all over the media screaming revenge? Can someone tell me how it is legal for the State Attny and prosecution to go on television and proclaim Zimmerman a murderer even though he has been tried and found not guilty? Can someone tell me how the media has any right to voice their opinion that Zimmerman is a racist - thereby inciting riots and threats against an entire family when there is no proof?
Because they escalated things and told all these people lies they now can't simply back down without looking stupid. So instead, they incite hatred over something that is an incredibly poor non-example of the issues they claim to be railing against.
All the time ignoring much larger issues in their community - one is simply left with the impression that they are opportunist trouble-makers who sadly, a sizeable proportion of the population choose to listen to simply because of the color of their skin.
The prosecution decided to get involved too and I believe they should be removed from their positions because of it. You cannot have prosecutors describing people just found not guilty by the court as "a murderer". Thay are contributing to the incitement.
I think all these people have been incredibly insensitive and let down the family massively. They have just shamefully used them. By all means, push for an investigation if you think there isn't one (which wasn't the case) but don't tell them that an injustice has been done and a race crime committed when there is no evidence of such and evidence against. Don't manufacture evidence to promote it as a race crime when it isn't. This isn't serving the family or giving them peace or helping them grieve and come to terms with things - it just makes the pain worse promising "justice" for a case they knew they could not win legally and hoping would be swayed with media hype and an angry mob.
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sammielee24
Time Bandit.
That was a horrific case - the media have decided it can't rile up people much with this one because there is no Al Sharpton to ride to the rescue and stir things up. They can't find enough legal analysts to sit on CNN and tell you that this was a race crime - someone on here just made the comment that in the USA you have white privilege. Tell that to this couple as they were being raped, tortured, murdered and still alive while bleach was being shoved down your throat. That's some privilege isn't it? sammieswife
Christian and Newsom Murders - from wiki -
The national news media was criticized for ignoring the story because the victims were white and the all five of the suspects are black; most news reports came from local media and online news sites. [45] [46] This criticism was also fueled by erroneous early reports of dismemberment and mutilations. [47] Most of the original reports with misinformation (reported from a federal deputy US Marshal after the suspects' arrest in Kentucky) were later denied by the District Attorney. [47]
The president of Criminal Justice Journalists, an association of crime, court and prison writers, editors and producers, said, "I can't say that this one would have had any more coverage if five whites had been accused of doing these things to two blacks, absent a blatant racial motive... as bad as this crime is, the apparent absence of any interest group involvement or any other 'angle' might also explain the lack of coverage." [45] Police Chief Sterling Owen IV said that there is no indication the crimes were racially motivated and that the murders and assault "appears to have been a random violent act." [48] "There is absolutely no proof of a hate crime," said John Gill, special counsel to Knox County District Atty. Randy Nichols. "We know from our investigation that the people charged in this case were friends with white people, socialized with white people, dated white people. So not only is there no evidence of any racial animus, there's evidence to the contrary." [49]
Some commentators continued to disagree, claiming that such a crime would include a motive of racial hatred. Conservative political commentator Michelle Malkin repeated this accusation on her blog and on Fox News' O'Reilly Factor program. [50] Prior to the DA's statement, Newsom's mother sympathized with the "hate crime" position stating, "It may have started out as a carjacking, but what it developed into was blacks hating whites." [49] Christian's father (addressing those whom he believes used his daughter's death to further their own agenda) stated "[the crime] ain't about you." [50]
The case also attracted the attention of white supremacists. On May 27, 2007, around 30 white supremacists led by Alex Linder rallied in downtown Knoxville in protest of the murders. They were met by counter-protestors, many dressed as clowns (parodying the Ku Klux Klan). [51]
After the protest, syndicated columnist Leonard Pitts dismissed claims that the crime was underreported, citing a 2001 report that found "Blacks and Latinos are underrepresented in news media as victims of crime and significantly overrepresented as perpetrators." Pitts added that he was "unkindly disposed toward the crackpots, incendiaries and flat-out racists who have chosen this tragedy upon which to take an obscene and ludicrous stand" and that they and any other white Americans who felt victimized by the perceived under reporting could "cry me a river." [52]
The house at 2316 Chipman Street was bought by Waste Connections, a national garbage collection company with a depot next door to the house. Waste Connections demolished the house In October of 2008; a spokesperson stated the company's intent to replace the house with a memorial to Newsom and Christian. [53]
An October 16, 2009 article in The Daily Mail stated, "Ironically, the case has now generated more publicity surrounding the furor over whether or not political correctness was behind the US media’s decision to largely ignore the story than it did for the murders themselves."