One Day is as 1000 years to Jehovah (page 3)

prologos

jeffro you are right. While we on this earth with its velocity and gravity move through time at our pace: 1000 years per 1000 years, this is not so for all.

some of the pre-big bang theories of vaccuum fluctuations demand that time exixted before the appearance of space and matter. so,

the creator (if there is one) would exist in that eternal time and not move through it as we do.

Peter's musings on time, and James' are the few bright spots in the bibles' scanty record of giving insights into nature.

Jeffro

prologos:

some of the pre-big bang theories of vaccuum fluctuations demand that time exixted before the appearance of space and matter. so, the creator (if there is one) would exist in that eternal time and not move through it as we do.

That's a lot of pretty big maybes you've got there. It's more widely considered that time didn't exist before the universe existed, which is as far away as you can get from 'eternal'.

Peter's musings on time, and James' are the few bright spots in the bibles' scanty record of giving insights into nature.

Not really.

When I first left the WT/JW scam I used to worry about that verse that says "Jehovah is not slow...." when coupled with the other one about "ridiculers" saying "where is this promised presence of his" or however it puts it, as these seemed to be prophetic, or at least perceptive.

Then I came to realise that the whole "Last Days" thing had not happened as the christians thought in the 1st Century, so "Peter" is excusing its not happening, in his day, around 100CE.

The writer pretending to be Peter is neither prophetic nor perceptive, and of course, 2000 years later the expectations of those early chrisitians have still not been realised. His excuses do not hold water, it ain't never gonna happen.

The best way JW's can use the word Armageddon is to change it slightly to I'm a geddin' outa here.

adamah

Prologos said:

some of the pre-big bang theories of vaccuum fluctuations demand that time exixted before the appearance of space and matter. so,the creator (if there is one) would exist in that eternal time and not move through it as we do.

Oh, yeah: I forgot to mention that reading Hawking's "A Brief History of Space and Time" can be helpful for grasping fancy words useful to create some sort of pseudo-intellectual metaphysical mumbo-jumbo sentences that you don't have to understand, but that the dedicated Christian apologetist can insert into these discussions, too.

Phizzy said:

The writer pretending to be Peter is neither prophetic nor perceptive, and of course, 2000 years later the expectations of those early chrisitians have still not been realised. His excuses do not hold water, it ain't never gonna happen.

Yup.

As I pointed out in my blog article, the widely-recognized fraudulent writing known as "The Book of 2nd Peter" has an overarching goal of patching up doctrinal flaws seen in the Hebrew OT and attempting to suppress evidence that still existed in the Hebrew Torah (Masoretic Text) by hiding the evidence which discounted Christian beliefs. The translators attempted to translate such contradictions out of existence via the Greek Septuagint, and supported the effort by the addition of 2nd Peter into the NT.

It was done with the handling of the doctine of Adam's original sin, God's lie to Adam ("the DAY you eat from it, you shall die") covering for in 2nd Peter, removing "perfect" Eve's covetness for wisdom (oops: coveting is a sin, per the 10 commandments, so how could "perfect" Eve covet BEFORE disobeying God and sinning by gaining wisdom?), etc, etc.

If someone is even half-way able to exercise their atropied ability to reason and examine the evidence, and can handle in-depth analysis of the original Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic texts to see the changes that have occurred, the Bible (OT/NT) is going to be their worst nightmare. Most will simply not do the hard work, which is exactly what Jesus was seeking: sheeple.

Adam

EDIT: I suspect 'Peter' also may have been trying to cover incredulity over claims of God's literal creation of Earth, Sun, plants, animals, etc on single days. To someone living in the 2nd Century CE, 1,000 yrs may have seen like an incredibly long time-frame to accomplish all of those tasks, and giving God 6,000 yrs to accomplish all of that may have seemed reasonable to counter the scientifically-minded types of his day (before geology, knowledge of decay rates of radioactive elements, etc).

Of course, we now know the universe is MUCH older, and even the 6,000 yr headstart given by 'Peter' is woefully inadequate to get to 15 billion yrs (the age of the Universe, where the Earth is 4.5 billions of years old).

Adam

DATA-DOG

"processor If "one day is like thousand years" for Jehovah, the "generation" can be "70 to 80 years" again, which would then be 25,550 to 29,200 real years"

I was thinking about this a couple of weeks ago. If 1 day to Jehovah (tm) is literally 1,000 years to humans, then a Year for Jehovah (tm) would be made up of 360 days of 1,000 years each. ( Lunar calendar) So how does the GB determine if the days in, let's say Revelation, are God's "days " or human days, God's "years" or human years?