My August Update

by OnTheWayOut 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I don't really have a purpose in this thread, but wanted to share my thoughts and updates.

    Fading has, at least for now, totally stabilized. My JW wife doesn't discuss JW things and, as difficult for me as it is, I haven't been discussing anything directly against JW policy. Oh, I slip in comments when she tries to judge people or groups based on her JW training- things like Gay Marriage, Medical Marijuana, pedophile news stories. If I go far enough in saying something about her religion, she falls back on "You haven't been there in years, you don't know what they are doing about that." I simply say "Tell me what they are doing." But she never does.

    Those conversations are fewer and farther between, though.

    The wife blew off her congregation's out-of-town District Convention. She had planned to attend a different DC in the tropics with her best friend who had moved back there, but that didn't pan out. So she attended the local (70-minute drive) English convention on a Friday and a Sunday, going with different people each day. She planned to go the next Saturday but the car group she wanted to go with was full. I do see some glimmer of hope in that. She wants to have each day be a social event hanging with old friends, but isn't so dedicated to the religion that she will drive herself by herself.

    My wife is unemployed, but steadily looking for work. Thanks to my decision to find a career instead of just a job when I realized in 1995 that the end of this system was not so close, we will make it on my salary until she finds work. She does not increase her recruiting hours while she is unemployed. Her "service" is totally token- enough to turn in time every month, but not anything like serious. Her only real shortcoming is that cult training prevents her from questioning the training at all. Like a typical JW, she doesn't really know the doctrine, but she just knows it is right because of the cross, holidays, neutrality, using "Jehovah" as a name, and a few other things that make Jehovah's Witnesses special. She probably feels like the new FDS doctrine is nothing really new- typically, JW's have no idea of the implications when doctrines change. I wasn't typical, so that's part of why I am "out."

    I did get my wife to accompany me to my aunt's 70th birthday party. I told her that many family members I rarely see would be there. She caved in at the last minute, with no pressure from me, because the actual birthdate had passed during the week and this was the weekend afterward. Plus, it was the same Saturday her car group for the DC was full and she had no other plans.

    I was returning home from work this morning, Saturday morning, driving through Spanish neighborhoods and saw tons of the Mexican JW's out prior to 7 AM, mostly men. So I imagine they have their C.O. visit or some other push to get the elders and MS's aux. pioneering this month. They weren't spreading out but walking in large groups on a main street that really nobody but a couple of joggers and dog walkers were on. They looked like a group to simply avoid, and I saw the dog walkers doing just that. As I drove by, I looked at their faces. If they were talking to each other, the JW's smiled and laughed. The ones who were trying to be serious and service minded just seemed miserable, like they should be enjoying their day off somewhere else. But that just might be me reading into it.

    JW's have definitely learned to just go through the motions of recruiting. Productivity was the big thing back in the days when they charged for literature, but hours is all that matters now. They know they are just spinning their wheels when they walk around early mornings or ring bells where virtually nobody is home and those that are home give them a "No thanks" and shut the door.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Well that fact that she went with you to the belated Birthday gathering.was 1 step for you
    I hope you tell her constantly how much love you have for her.((

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    JW's have definitely learned to just go through the motions of recruiting. . . . hours is all that matters now. . . . They know they are just spinning their wheels. . .

    Guess it's the same everywhere.

    We too recently attended a "worldly" friend's 50th birthday dinner.

    (PS As of this posting, no word of anyone being beheaded.)

    Doc

  • I quit!
    I quit!

    I think your doing the best you can in your situation. I gave up arguing JW issues years ago with my wife but like you I slip things in once and a while. I wonder if you find it as hard as I do to figure out why they seem to allow certain non jw things in their lives while seemingly holding firm to other things. I once got my wife to go to some lesbian friends house warming when I convinced her it would be like any other house warming not an orgy. She had a good time there. Like your aunts birthday party its hard to ask them why will they do this but not that without causing them to get defensive and maybe erasing any progress.

    I find your comment about Mexican JWs in service interesting. That is who I mostly see out in service in my area. Maybe they take it more serious than the English speaking congregation. I do however notice that they do look just as miserable as any other group of JW out doing the work of the Watchtower.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    OTWO: I simply say "Tell me what they are doing."

    Brilliant, just brilliant. This is a really good tactic to use with JWs, although it's probably best if used sparingly with people you actually care about.

    OTWO: JW's have no idea of the implications when doctrines change.

    Yeah, isn't it bizarre how they all miss the really significant point that any doctrinal change means the leaders were wrong! And if they were wrong about THAT, then what else could they be wrong about?

    We believed it too, at least for a while until the spell was broken.

    Thanks for the update. Keep 'em coming!

  • Iown Mylife
    Iown Mylife

    Terrific update, sounds like cognitive dissonance is working better than you might realize.

    We were just talking this morning about how when we first joined we were frequently urged to read the bound volumes, learn past history of the Society. Now we're aware that the old light is less desirable and close examination is being discouraged.

    Remember how we were bombarded with the "examine the origins" of holidays and customs, OH the reason for the origin of everything is so important to Jehovah. We can't recognize a birthday because even though people feel happy to have their birthday celebrated and they feel slighted when their family members ignore their birthday, we're avoiding offending Jehovah.

    Well they are getting offended by their OWN origins now.

    And after 30 years of ignoring family's birthdays we are finding how great birthdays really are. We don't give a flip about the origins.

  • designs
    designs

    Family birthdays are fun, its a beginning.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Mouthy, I do. I do.

    D.O.C., no beheadings at ANY birthday gatherings I have ever been to. I promise to stop going if it ever happens.

    I Quit, it may be so. Most Mexicans were serious Catholics. I find it's the Europeans who have let go of their religiousity the most, maybe the Japanese too. Chinese and Indians are a mixed bag- spiritual, but free to think what they want. But Mexicans, it may not make a big difference which Christian religion they are in- they still take it seriously. *Note this is my opinion and not meant to stir up controversy, you are all free to feel/think differently.

    Obliette, thanks for the compliment and positive feedback.

    IOwn Mylife, you give me much to think about and I will meditate on how to use it. "Remember how they encouraged us to examine the origins...?"

    Designs, they are a good reason to get together and focus on that particular person.

    Hey everyone, my birthdate is not made known here on JWN and I put the month of August on Facebook. So, happy August to me.

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    It is just a matter of time for your Mrs. Something will happen in her social group and eventually her JWism will fall apart.

    I see with my daughter and son in law the same thing, it is all social and the religion is just the vehicle being used to cement the friendships.

  • Xanthippe
    Xanthippe

    Good news your wife came to a birthday party with you Onthewayout and she missed one day of the convention. You are so patient, I am very impressed.

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