It's pretty bad when our fill-in circuit overseer/elder admits that his little pet got up at the assembly and lied. He told hubby that the ones that knew his part was a lie was only the one percent over the ninety-nine that didn't know. But what if that one percent had gone and told others that their son had a part in the CA and those ones hear how his parents didn't do anything for him growing up spiritually. Meantime they raised all five kids in the troof and were known for being very spiritual. Another time and elders' brother couldn't believe his brother(elder) and wife would get up on stage and have the nerve to say how they would never go to a concert nor let their boys go. A month before that lie the whole family went to a concert and were laughing at how there were guys smoking pot right in front of them as well as behind them. And they had their boys with them. The list goes on and on. If your a pet of the elders your in like flint! Lies or no lies(but it's usually all based on lies)the purpose serves their parts.
The ones who participate in CONvention...is it all a load of hypocrisy?
by MissConfused 15 Replies latest jw friends
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It's a load of steaming you know what....
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Those bigots need their narcissistic supply. give it to them.
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ThisFellowCheap
They made me edit mine once at the DC, when I was ten! Told my dad I never wanted to give a platform experience, and for a long time I was scared I had sinned against Jehovah's holy spirit (unforgiveable sin) and I had nightmares of dying at Big A. Towards the end of my JW career anyways, I had all the experiences, I just could make them up fast enough. The interviewers at assemblies and conventions could always count on me to have the exact experience needed for the bragging sessions- I called them My Watchtower Arabian Nights, and my JW girlfriend even told me my platform fictions were more believeable than Dan Brown's books! (She never doubts them until I tell her I lied). I told her I discovered religious people were the easiest to decieved, as they were already decieving their selves already. Keep it simple, with a hint of divine intervention- that's the right recipe for JW deciet since they don't believe in heavy doses of miracle
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Bangalore
One thing to keep in mind is that many of those stage experiences are quite likely embellished or perhaps even made up.
Bangalore
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Joined: 12 years ago
Location:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/member/3686
Year of Birth: unknown
Biography: Here is my story:
I'm a 39-yr. old black man, I was raised as a jw from about 5- gave up college scholarships to pioneer for months and I went to bethel served there about 7yrs
I truly enjoyed bethel
Got to learn so much about the org
I hooked up with a Former DO while I was there who was my mentor- he works the Service desk now in Patterson
He trained me how to be an Excellent Society Man as he stated:
"Love the bros. and learn Organization Procedures like the back of your hand"
He would say all the time: "You may not be liked by some but you will ALWAYS BE RIGHT":
Because you can back up everything you say from one of the Society's publications he would say
When I left bethel as a MS I had a collections of Shepherding Material that I had put together and he had given me that was about as good if not as good as the one the avg. CO has in the field
It consisted of 2 large 3 ring binders with copies of all kinds of KM and wt articles dealing with youth, marriage, jobs - almost everything you could encounter as an elder --I had it at my FINGER Tips-
IT WAS ALL indexed so with the flip of a few pages I could REF at anytime --- this was before the Society sent out a "how to Index" sheet
I had it all in this binder: "WHAT THE SOCIETY'S VIEW ON A MATTER WAS"
We used to call that being a "Good Society Man"
I settled in a Congo with 4 former bethelites
I made 5th elder
We ran the Congo like Bethel
Everyone loved it --things were done on time all the time just like we learned at bethel
It was called by some in the circuit as LITTLE BETHEL
We used to have friends from nearby Congo who would come just to see our Service meeting and School
No person was allowed on the platform unless they had rehearsed their part Sunday before an elder- just like they do it at the assemblies
I WAS APPOINTED AT 27 AS AN ELDER-----was on the District program at 29 and started working in the Chairman's office at 30
I was one of the youngest guys up in the "SKYBOX"
While all the friends sat on hard seats in Richmond and the Capital Center in MD for the convention my wife and I was up in the Skyboxes with AC chilling out
While other friends could not get a cool drink of water at their seats
We had a MS who would run down to the food stands and bring us up our food and drink, which we enjoyed thruout the ENTIRE program
My wife never stood in line to use the bathroom we had one in our skybox
As they say at bethel
I was on the FAST TRACK.
FOR MANY on the net I see their exp. and they felt they were cut short or dealt with unkindly by the elders AND FRIENDS, yes they felt that they got DOGGED, yep THE SHAFT
Or they were just the outcast of their Congo
So when they come to the net they are mad as Hell
That was not the case for me-- I was loved and well respected
Almost ALL of our CO's were former bethelites and they always made sure that any former bethelite got parts on the Circuit and District program
Not much was the result of "God gave him that assignment"
MORE LIKE ---"Who you know"
The CO's just like giving parts to all the former bethelites--- as one CO told us
"I know you guys are trained"
So for me I was happy as a lark, fine wife, ok job, well respected elder who was on the fast track
So why in the world would I as one of my bethel buddies put it:
"Bite the hand that feeds you"
Well it all started back in 95 when The Boys in Writing Dropped the Generation doctrine
One night 3 couples all former bethelites we were sitting around talking about it and it's implications on what we teach
You see bethelites have always to some degree questioned the org more than most Local bro do
Then The Writing Dept dropped the Separating of the sheep and Goats
Then They dropped the "Alternative Service" rule-- WHICH USED TO STATE that you could not take any substitute job in place of going to the army - if so you would be DFed)
(I had a very good friend an older Elder when I was in New York who went to Prison for 3yrs instead of working at the hospital due to that rule.
He has had some problems since being in prison, now I have NEVER ASKED HIM AND I NEVER WILL but from everyone I know who should be in the know -
Tells me that this bro was raped repeatedly while he was in prison as a 19 yrs old kid and I will never ask him directly about it.
I stated that to say this:
When they changed the alternative service rule he called me up and he broke down and cried
The Society has tried to present this as "their CONSCIENCES WERE JUST VERY STRICT IS WHY THEY WENT TO PRISON"
WHILE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS that IS A LIE
As he put it ---during the Vietnam War all the young bro were getting draft letters
Him and his mama went to the elders to get advice and they shared with him the Current position in the wt---- where basically it stated if you are Loyal you will not take the alternative job--GO TO JAIL OR BE DFED---POINT BLANK--
So as he put it ---IT was not a conscience matter ---he thought he was being loyal to god
To this very day he has slowed down and step aside as an elder
He still wants to hold on to WT world, but he is a crushed man
So after the last elders school I told my wife I can't take it anymore
The school mainly focused on DO MORE DO MORE, BEAT THE FRIENDS, BEAT THE FRIENDS
And judicial matters is mainly what we talked about.
IF YOU COULD SEE the elders flock book and you look up in the back of the index the word "LOVE"
YOU WILL NOT FIND IT THERE
Just think the most important book elder carries and it does not have one subject line on LOVE
Then I bought me a computer and went up on the Net
I felt that if I have the truth it will stand the test
Well after trying to defend the Boys in the Writing Dept
I realized how little I knew about wt history.
So I stop going into chartrooms and forum --I just found sites where there was no commentary just wt history- and READ AND READ AND READ
I ordered Rays' book and I read both in 10days
Then I cried for 10 more DAYS--smile
ALL THE hopes and dreams I had as a result of the wt begin to crumble right before my eyes
You see I personally know almost every bro Ray mentions in his 2 books
I used to laugh and talk with all of those guys at bethel
I looked up to them as being used by Jah in a mighty way due to the heavy responsibility they had at bethel
We used to call them "Bethel Heavies and we called ourselves BetheLITES"
IT'S AND INSIDE JOKE AT BETHEL, BASED ON WHERE YOU WORK--HOPE YOU GOT IT
cleaning- painting dept , etc = bethelite
Writing dept, Convention office, Executive office = bethel "heavy"
WELL at that point I knew what I had to do - being an elder at the time I knew how the Program works for apostates/anyone questioning the boys in writing.
So I started giving up my assignments one at a time
HVC, Circuit acct overseer, SEC in my hall, STOP Giving public talks outside of my hall and finally I stepped down as an elder
I told the body of elders I was so busy with work that I could not do a good job as an elder and it's not fair to my bookstudy , Congo etc. for me to continue to serve at this time
The night I turned in my Flockbook was the last time I stepped in a Hall-
And we used to get a lot of phone calls from jw we knew
In fact folks all over the country esp former bethelites called when they heard I stepped aside
Then just recently we built a home in another state and moved
A completely new area and we love it
My wife and I are now back in college and we run an IT biz
So we are busy and we are making all new friends and it's hard at times my father-in-law has decided to leave as well as my mom is on her way out
My mother in-law refuses to even talk about it, but is starting to warm up a little----------my dad was never a jw
My mom told me that 10 yrs ago she knew something was wrong and she was afraid to say anything to me because I was an elder: a "SOCIETY MAN"
She said I knew you would tell my elders and they would df me
So she never said anything to me or my wife about her views on the org all those yrs
DAMN I could have gotten out sooner
Smile
So I have a very rounded view of the Org and how it operates that the Avg. jw will never see
And how sad
- At this point for us we have decided to take a break from the bible and religion after over 60yrs of wt world arguing with folks over whether Jesus died on a "Telephone Pole or Light Pole"
We feel we need a break
I didn't mean to ramble on and on
But I felt that sometimes when you put a life exp behind a handle it makes all the difference in the world
For me I had the support of my wife
Due to wt dogma we have no kids
Along with all the former bethelites in my old Congo
3 of them are shooting for the traveling work since they are out of bethel
So I HAVE BEEN THERE-- DONE THAT -BOUGHT THE TEE SHIRT SMILE
James