Lookout western Christianity - here comes the Chinese

by fulltimestudent 20 Replies latest social current

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    The material I've studied about early Christianity leads to the conclusion that what passes for modern Christianity is the result of luck. Ideas required support, so who was lucky enough to get the numbers at a conference? (Often dependent on who could get there). Who got the Emperor's support? etc, etc. The Christianities of western Asia (with the exception of Orthodox versions) once powerful and popular are nearly extinct.

    Many are hoping and working to convert China to Christianity, not realising that the religions that affected China, were themselves altered by that experience.

    I'm prompted to jot these ideas down, because yesterday at our local shopping centre (strongly Chinese), at a spot usually occupied by the American financed Falun gong, or by the local Presbyterians who hope that they convert enough Chinese to save themselves from extinction, there was something new. Two women Christians from a Chinese Christian sect.

    The women were from Fujian province, South China, (Fujian has a strong Catholic church, a result of proximity to the Catholic dominated Philippines, and is also next to the province which spawned the Christian Taiping, who under the genius Emperor Hong Xiuquan, nearly conquered China in the mid 19th C. Only the support of a European Christian supported army, led by the English General, 'Christian' Gordon, defeated the Christian Taiping - Ironical, isn't it? The Europeans decided they'd rather root a weak Qing dynasty, than attempt to rape a strong Taiping regime.)

    They were not interested (seemingly) in western people - Most of their signage and well stocked literature table was in Chinese. But one of signs in English read:

    The Lord Jesus has come Again. The Christ of the End-time has appeared in China.

    If Christianity did become popular in China, I can visualise a Chinese Version (like the Taiping) storming the world.

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    You're in Australia, aren't you? Interesting observation. I know a little about Falun Gong, a little about jews in China, a little about Catholics in China. The idea of Chinese christians spreading the "word" to the West is an interesting reversal. I wish christianity would just disappear, along with other religions, until they are all viewed as dark age superstitions. Not gonna happen, I guess.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Full Time Student is Australian? Hey mate, are you in Queensland?

    I also once found a scholarly work on how Christianity spread and why once. I'll try find it again online.

  • mP
    mP

    Fulltime:

    Jesus brother already visited China about 150 years ago. He caused a few wars and other strive that killed over twenty million. Given this im surprised anybody has time for xianity in China.

    Hong Xiuquan was also xian, he claimed to be jesus brother and was not the legitimate emperor. Sorry but your basic facts are wrong.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan

    Hong Xiuquan (1 January 1814 [citation needed] – 1 June 1864), born Hong Renkun , style name Huoxiu (??), was a Hakka Chinese who led the Taiping Rebellion against the Qing Dynasty , establishing the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom over varying portions of southern China, with himself as the " Heavenly King " and self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

    The Taiping Rebellion was a massive civil war in southern China from 1850 to 1864, against the ruling Manchu -led Qing Dynasty . It was a millenarian movement led by Hong Xiuquan , who announced that he had received visions in which he learned that he was the younger brother of Jesus . At least 20 million people died, mainly civilians, in one of the deadliest military conflicts in history. [4]

    Belligerents

    Later stages: [citation needed]

    Taiping Heavenly Kingdom
    Commanders and leaders
    Strength
    1,100,000+ [1]500,000 [2]
    Casualties and losses
    Total dead: At least 20 million, including civilians and soldiers (best estimate). [3]
  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Everybody knows that the lost tribes of Israel moved to China and warred with each other, but that Jesus appeared to the Chinese shortly after being killed by the Jews, then Moroni revealed the golden tablets to Joseph Smithwong who wrote down the details.

    No, seriously- If Christianity spreads, I imagine a watered-down version like you say.

  • designs
    designs

    Top Ramen, many think its real Chinese food.

    I think it would be hysterical to have Chinese Christians in our shopping malls trying to convert the middle classes. Oddly around here we see some Korean Christian Churches and they are very enthusiastic. What gives, nothing better or more exciting going on?

  • Bangalore
    Bangalore

    Are you in Los Angeles,Designs.

    Bangalore

  • designs
    designs

    Grew up near Los Angeles, living in San Diego County now.

  • Bangalore
    Bangalore

    Ok.LA has a lot of Korean churches. Most are Presbyterian.

    Bangalore

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Julia Orwell - Yes, I do live in Australia, but more importantly - I live in the world. (grin)

    And sorry - I am not in Q'land. I live in Sydney - but (another grin) I've had some nice holidays in Q.

    And on one of those 'hunting' expeditions that horny JW boys engage in, I met two very nice and beautiful Jw girls in Brissie. Have nice memories of going to a film with one of those girls, in an old open roofed picture theatre, sitting at the back in a double deck chair (canvas hung between two horizontal supports) that seemed specially made for courting couples since they allowed for , hmmm (searching for the right word), OK! allowed for greater intimacy.

    I wont say more - it will only help identify me.

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