Given your perspective, would you rank AA as a cult after reading this?

by NeverKnew 23 Replies latest jw friends

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  rebel8

  "AA" is not universally the same. Each grp is different. Some are culty. Some aren't.
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  NeverKnew

  For those who did not go to the site, I'd love for you to do so. I hadn't thought of the implications of showing a JW the page. I have and I think it may have had an impact. Didn't have a long conversation, but I'm hearing feedback!

  The link is http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html

  The author gives his opinion on how he believes AA scores on several cult classifications. These include the following....

  • 1. The Guru is always right.
  • 3. No Exit.
  • 5. Cult-speak.
  • 6. Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking
  • 9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions...
  • 10. Personal attacks on critics.
  • 11. Insistence that the group is THE ONLY WAY.
  • 12. The group and its members are special.
  • 13. Induction of guilt, and the use of guilt to manipulate group members.
  • 17. Instant Community.
  • 27. You Can't Tell The Truth.
  • 28. Cloning — You become a clone of the group leader or other elder group members.
  • 29. You must change your beliefs to conform to the group's beliefs.
  • 31. Dishonesty, Deceit, Denial, Falsification, and Rewriting History.
  • 32. Different Levels of Truth.
  • 33. Newcomers can't think right.
  • 38. An Impossible Superhuman Model of Perfection.
  • 49. The guru or the group demands ultra-loyalty and total commitment.
  • 50. Demands for Total Faith and Total Trust
  • 51. Members Get No Respect. They Get Abused.
  • 53. Hierarchical, Authoritarian Power Structure, and Social Castes
  • 55. Belief equals truth
  • 63. Separatism
  • 67. Don't Trust Your Own Mind.
  • 69. The group takes over the individual's decision-making process.
  • 72. Progressive Indoctrination and Progressive Commitments
  • 75. New Identity — Redefinition of Self — Revision of Personal History
  • 77. True Believers
  • 78. Scapegoating and Excommunication
  • 84. You can't make it without the group.
  • 85. Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider
  • 86. The group wants to own you.
  • 89. Demands For Compliance With The Group
  • 90. Newcomers Need Fixing.
  • 99. Total immersion and total isolation.
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  SAHS

  I think that the author of the “orange-papers.org” Website has serious paranoid delusions if he ascribes all those points to AA.

  Although, I think that he would be pretty much right on the money when it comes to the JWs! Especially considering the “mass suicides” of all the victims of the WT’s blood policy, making fatal victims of the youngest children and even babies – which makes Jonestown look like a real picnic!
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  Londo111

  The one red flag for a cult: Do they shun anyone?

  If the AA doesn't do this, then it is not a cult.