Blondie's Coments You Will Not Hear at the 09-02-2013 WTS Study (when)

There has been much written and examined on this “clearer understanding” of some basic WTS teachings. Notice no real timeline is provided in this article.

I’m not going to try to recreate what has gone before, merely my first impressions based on my 57 years of attending meetings and conventions/assemblies, studying WTS publications and the input of the generation of jw family just before mine going back to the 1920’s.

If you have a favorite exposition of these “adjusted” or “clarified” ideas please post them after my comments or link us to someone else’s.

Personally, I left because of a lack of love shown to the rank and file by those in charge of the “sheep.” Many congregations over many years, many players not just a personality clash in the only congregation some have attended over 50 years. A pattern of self-confessed lying by elders, Cos, DOs, GB, “Yes we lied but these jws aren’t entitled to the truth.” My husband questioned why there was one version of a BOE letter for the elders for another for the congregation, concealing the info. He saw it as lying, not so the other elders.

Was the WTS consistent in its teachings of 1874—presence and 1878—kingly power?

*** it-2 p. 244 Lie ***

Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person.

*** w93 1/15 p. 5 ‘Caught Away to Meet the Lord’—How? ***

When a foreign head of State visits a country, the dates of his presence there are generally announced. This has been true of the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914. Events since that year testify to Jesus’ invisible presence. (Matthew 24:3-14)

1874 PRESENCE IN THE WT

*** Proclaimers Book jv chap. 28 p. 632 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus’ baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King. They also thought they would be given their heavenly reward at that time. When that did not occur, they concluded that since Jesus’ anointed followers were to share with him in the Kingdom, the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then. It was also reasoned that the end of God’s special favor to natural Israel down to 36 C.E. might point to 1881 as the time when the special opportunity to become part of spiritual Israel would close.

1878 KINGDOM POWER

The Life-giver is present; and, since 1878, when he took his great power and began the exercise of his authority, none of his members need to sleep. -Thy Kingdom Come, 1891, page 240.

Since that time it has been emphatically manifest that the time had come in A.D. 1878 when kingly judgment should begin at the house of God. It is here that Rev. 14:14-20 applies, and our Lord is brought to view as the Reaper crowned. The year A.D. 1878, being the parallel of his assuming power and authority in the type, clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord-the time of his taking to himself his great power to reign, which in the prophecy is closely associated with the resurrection of his faithful, and the beginning of the trouble and wrath upon the nations.-The Time Is At Hand, 1902, page 239.

START OF ARTICLE

Remember JESUS tells us, so it should come from the bible not a human publication.

Did Jesus give a date? Not like the WTS: 1874, 1914, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1940’s, 1975, (1984), (1994)

1. Like the apostles, what are we eager to find out?

JESUS’ ministry on earth was coming to an end,

and his disciples were eager to find out what the future

held for them. So just a few days before his

death, four of his apostles asked him: “When will

these things be, and what will be the sign of your

presence and of the conclusion of the system of

things?” (Matt. 24:3; Mark 13:3) Jesus answered by

means of an extensive prophecy, recorded in Matthew

chapters 24 and 25. In that prophecy, Jesus

foretold many noteworthy events. His words have

profound meaning for us because we too are keenly

interested in knowing what the future holds.

Why would Jesus answer their question with events that would not happen for over 2,000 years long after the apostles had died? In the past the WTS used the terms “minor” and “major” as to dual fulfillments.

2. (a) Through the years, of what did we seek to get a clearer

understanding? (b) Which three questions will we consider?

2 Through the years, Jehovah’s servants have

prayerfully studied Jesus’ prophecy about the last

days. They have sought to get a clearer understanding

of the timing of the fulfillment of Jesus’ words.

To illustrate how our understanding has been clarified,

let us consider three “when” questions. When

does the “great tribulation” begin? When does Jesus

judge “the sheep” and “the goats”? When does Jesus

‘arrive,’ or come?—Matt. 24:21; 25:31-33.

How has the WTS explained why “Christendom” is wrong in saying Jesus is coming rather than present?

CLARIFIED = separate out the impurities?

So if the holy spirit is guiding the WTS/GB, why have things not been clear from the beginning?

WHEN DOES THE GREAT TRIBULATION BEGIN?

3. In the past, what was our understanding of the timing of

the great tribulation?

3 For a number of years, we thought that the great

tribulation began in 1914 with World War I and

that “those days were cut short” by Jehovah in 1918

when the war ended so that the remnant would

have the opportunity to preach the good news to all

nations. (Matt. 24:21, 22) After the completion of

that preaching work, Satan’s empire would be destroyed.

Thus, the great tribulation was thought

to have three phases: There would be a beginning

(1914-1918), the tribulation would be interrupted

(from 1918 onward), and it would conclude

at Armageddon.

WE THOUGHT—WAS THOUGHT (PASSIVE)

The WTS had taught that the end would come in 1914 and then when it did not they had to explain it…the end started but was interrupted in 1918.

This teaching was in force until 1970 when I was 18 and it was just as “exciting” an event as the end of God and Jesus being the superior authorities in 1962. See my family knew there were scriptural flaws in both and talked about it privately.

4. What insight led to a clearer understanding

of Jesus’ prophecy about the last days?

4 Upon further examination of Jesus’

prophecy, however, we perceived that a

part of Jesus’ prophecy about the last

days has two fulfillments. (Matt. 24:4-

22) There was an initial fulfillment in Judea

in the first century C.E., and there

would be a worldwide fulfillment in our

day. That insight led to several clarifications.

WE PERCEIVED – who is WE?

Initial = minor

Final = major

Why did the holy spirit not lead them to the right understanding in the first place? It’s not a matter of adding to gutting previous interpretations.

(start of this feature, endnotes at end not footnotes on page…why change?)

Paragraph 4: [1] For more information,

see The Watchtower, February 15, 1994,

pages 8-21 and May 1, 1999, pages 8-20.

5. (a) What difficult period began in 1914?

(b) That period of distress corresponds to what

time period in the first century C.E.?

5 We also discerned that the first part

of the great tribulation did not begin in

1914. Why not? Because Bible prophecy

reveals that the great tribulation will

start, not with a war among nations, but

with an attack on false religion. Thus,

the events that began in 1914 were, not

the beginning of the great tribulation,

but the “beginning of pangs of distress.”

(Matt. 24:8) These “pangs of distress”

correspond to what took place in Jerusalem and

Judea from 33 C.E. to 66 C.E.

WE ALSO DISCERNED – WE?

False religion—all non-jws

6. What will signal the beginning of the great

tribulation?

6 What will signal the start of the

great tribulation? Jesus foretold: “When

you catch sight of the disgusting thing

that causes desolation, as spoken of

through Daniel the prophet, standing

in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,)

then let those in Judea begin

fleeing to the mountains.” (Matt. 24:15,

16) In the first fulfillment, the “standing

in a holy place” occurred in 66 C.E.

when the Roman army (“the disgusting

thing”) attacked Jerusalem and its temple

(a place holy in the eyes of the Jews).

In the larger fulfillment, the “standing”

will occur when the United Nations (the

modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks

Christendom (which is holy in the eyes

of nominal Christians) and the rest of

Babylon the Great. The same attack is

described at Revelation 17:16-18. That

event will be the beginning of the great

tribulation.

Standing in a holy place originally said to be in 1919 when the League of Nations was proclaimed God’s Kingdom on earth. Does the UN know that the WTS characterizes them as the “disgusting thing” and they will destroy all “false” religion?

Nominal Christians = in name only; only jws are TRUE Christians

That changed in 1999.

*** w99 5/1 pp. 16-17 par. 13 “Let the Reader Use Discernment” ***

This has a direct bearing on discerning when “the disgusting thing” stands in a holy place. Recall what happened in the first century. The Romans attacked Jerusalem in 66 C.E., but they abruptly withdrew, which allowed Christian “flesh” to be saved. (Matthew 24:22) Accordingly, we expect the great tribulation to begin soon, but it will be cut short for the sake of God’s chosen ones. Note this key point: In the ancient pattern, ‘the disgusting thing standing in a holy place’ was linked to the Roman attack under General Gallus in 66 C.E. The modern-day parallel to that attack—the outbreak of the great tribulation—is still ahead. So “the disgusting thing that causes desolation,” which has existed since 1919, apparently is yet to stand in a holy place.

*** w71 9/15 p. 560 par. 8 Set Apart from the World ***

As the war ended, a badly jolted world brought forth its League of Nations, and the executive committee of the Federal Council of the Churches of Christ in America, in its Declaration of December 12, 1918, endorsed the proposed League as “the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth,” going on to say that the Church can “give a powerful sanction by imparting to the new international order something of the prophetic glory of the Kingdom of God.” To the contrary, Jehovah’s witnesses consistently exposed the League for what it was—“the disgusting thing that causes desolation,” as prophesied by Daniel and by Jesus. (Dan. 9:27; 11:31; 12:11; Matt. 24:15; Rev. 13:14-18)

(SEE CHART USING www.jw.org; see above)

7. (a) How was ‘flesh saved’ in the first century?

(b) What can we expect will happen in the

future?

7 Jesus also foretold: “Those days will

be cut short.” In the initial fulfillment,

this happened in 66 C.E. when the Roman

army “cut short” its attack. Then,

anointed Christians in Jerusalem and

Judea fled, allowing for their ‘flesh, or

life, to be saved.’ (Read Matthew 24:22;

Mal. 3:17) So, what can we expect will

happen during the coming great tribulation?

Jehovah will “cut short” the attack

of the United Nations on false religion,

not allowing true religion to be

destroyed with the false. This will ensure

that God’s people will be saved.

Initial = minor

Anointed Christians---all Christians were anointed then

True religion – only jws

God’s people – only jws

*** w82 2/15 p. 31 par. 18 “What Prevents Me from Getting Baptized?” ***

Just ahead the separating of the “sheep” from the “goats” will come to a conclusion. None will be left on middle ground when God brings the “great tribulation” to sweep away “those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.” (Matthew 25:31-46; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9) Only those ‘marked’ for salvation will survive into his new order. (Revelation 7:3, 4, 9, 14; Ezekiel 9:2-6) How happy will be those who have submitted to this ‘marking’ for survival because of being accepted into a dedicated relationship with Jehovah God, as symbolized by water baptism, and continuing in integrity on the narrow road that leads to life!—Matthew 7:13, 14.

8. (a) What events will take place after the initial

part of the great tribulation has passed?

(b) At what point, apparently, will the last

member of the 144,000 receive his heavenly reward?

8 What happens after the initial part

of the great tribulation has passed? Jesus’

words indicate that there will be

a period of time that will last until the

start of Armageddon. What events will

occur during that interval? The answer

is recorded at Ezekiel 38:14-16 and Matthew

24:29-31. (Read.)[2] After that, we

will witness Armageddon, the climax

of the great tribulation, which parallels

Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 C.E.

(Mal. 4:1) With the battle of Armageddon

as its climax, that coming great tribulation

will be unique—an event “such

as has not occurred since the world’s

beginning.” (Matt. 24:21) When it has

passed, Christ’s Millennial Rule will

begin. (See endnote 2.)

JESUS WORDS INDICATE = NOT WE?

Ezek. 38:14-16 = need more than Jesus’ words?

AFTER THAT WE WILL WITNESS ARMAGEDDON – what, what, what?

1975 CE = 6,000 years human history plus 1,000 rule = 7,000 years seventh (creative) day?

1975 to 2013 = 38 years, will WE still be alive to see?

The last study of this material just before 1 st week of October, the “holy” week

*** w12 8/1 p. 17 When Did Jesus Become King? ***

October October

607 B.C.E. 1914 C.E.

← 2,520 years

*** it-1 p. 1095 Herod ***

The death of Herod could hardly have taken place before 1 B.C.E., for, in that case, Jesus (born about October 1, 2 B.C.E.) would have been less than three months old.

Endnote, finally an answer to my question whether all the anointed would have to be in heaven to attend their own wedding to Christ which they say will happen shortly after the GT.

*** w67 6/1 p. 345 The Wedding That Brings Worldwide Rejoicing ***

So when these die they immediately join the Bridegroom in heaven. Of course, even after Babylon’s destruction there will be some of the anointed remnant left on earth. They in time must die to be able to receive the change of nature to the immortal, incorruptible spirit to be with their beloved Bridegroom. When the last of these is resurrected into the heavens, then the marriage of the Lamb will be completely consummated.

Paragraph 8: [2] One of the events mentioned

in these verses is the ‘gathering of

the chosen ones.’ (Matt. 24:31) Hence, it

appears that all anointed ones who still remain

on earth after the initial part of the

great tribulation has passed will at some

point be raised to heaven before the outbreak

of the battle of Armageddon. This

adjusts what was stated on this subject in

“Questions From Readers” in The Watchtower

of August 15, 1990, page 30.

9. What effect does Jesus’ prophecy about the

great tribulation have on Jehovah’s people?

9 This prophecy about the great

tribulation strengthens us. Why? Because

it assures us that no matter what

hardships we may face, Jehovah’s people,

as a group, will come out of the

great tribulation. (Rev. 7:9, 14) Above

all, we rejoice because at Armageddon,

Jehovah will vindicate his sovereignty

and he will sanctify his holy name.—Ps.

83:18; Ezek. 38:23.

Jehovah’s people AS A GROUP will come out which means some individual jws will die

Proof that jws believe that only jws will survive = all others will die forever, including children, babies, even babies in the womb and jws will all REJOICE.

BTW Where is Jesus in this story?

WHEN DOES JESUS JUDGE

THE SHEEP AND THE GOATS?

10. In the past, what was our understanding of

the timing of the judgment of the sheep and

the goats?

10 Consider now the timing of another

part of Jesus’ prophecy—the parable

of the judgment of the sheep and the

goats. (Matt. 25:31-46) Previously, we

thought that the judging of people as

sheep or goats would take place during

the entire period of the last days from

1914 onward. We concluded that those

who rejected the Kingdom message and

who died before the start of the great

tribulation would die as goats—without

the hope of a resurrection.

OUR UNDERSTANDING – who?

WE THOUGHT – who?

Not only did they believe that judging was taking place that it was equivalent to the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, that people who did not become jws and died then, would descend into Gehenna and never be resurrected.

That’s why any jw with a unbelieving mate, parents, other relatives were so desperate for them to become jws and why early child baptisms were so “beneficial.”

11. Why could the judgment of people as

sheep or goats not have started in 1914?

11 In the mid-1990’s, The Watchtower

reexamined Matthew 25:31, which

states: “When the Son of man arrives in

his glory, and all the angels with him,

then he will sit down on his glorious

throne.” It was noted that Jesus became

King of God’s Kingdom in 1914, but he

did not “sit down on his glorious throne”

as Judge of “all the nations.” (Matt. 25:

32; compare Daniel 7:13.) However, the

parable of the sheep and the goats describes

Jesus primarily as Judge. (Read

Matthew 25:31-34, 41, 46.) Since Jesus

was not yet active as Judge of all nations

in 1914, his judgment of people as sheep

or goats could not have started in that

year.[3] When, then, will Jesus’ judgment

begin?

So after years since 1918, jws could feel safer about the future of their family. So did all those people in Gehenna pop out now that the WTS got it straight?

Paragraph 11: [3] See The Watchtower,

October 15, 1995, pages 18-28.

12. (a) When will Jesus for the first time act

as Judge of all nations? (b) What events are

described at Matthew 24:30, 31 and Matthew

25:31-33, 46?

12 Jesus’ prophecy about the last days

reveals that he will for the very first time

act as Judge of all nations after the destruction

of false religion. As mentioned

in paragraph 8, some of the events that

will occur during that time are recorded

at Matthew 24:30, 31. When you examine

those verses, you will note that Jesus

there foretells events that are similar

to the ones he mentions in the parable

of the sheep and the goats. For example,

the Son of man comes with glory

and with angels; all tribes and nations

are gathered; those judged as sheep

“lift [their] heads up” because “everlasting

life” awaits them.[4] Those judged as

goats “beat themselves in lamentation,”

realizing that “everlasting cutting-off”

awaits them.—Matt. 25:31-33, 46.

Can jws examine the verses and come up with a different conclusion like the WTS has many times? What if they had seen these points already and tried to inform the WTS?

Paragraph 12: [4] See the parallel account

at Luke 21:28.

13. (a) When will Jesus judge the people as

sheep or goats? (b) How does this understanding

affect our view of our ministry?

13 So, then, what can we conclude? Jesus

will judge people of all nations as

sheep or goats when he comes during

the great tribulation. Then, at Armageddon,

the climax of the great tribulation,

the goatlike ones will be ‘cut off’ forever.

How does that understanding affect our

view of our ministry? It helps us to see

how important our preaching work is.

Until the great tribulation begins, people

still have time to change their thinking

and start walking on the cramped

road “leading off into life.” (Matt. 7:13,

14) To be sure, people may now display

a sheeplike or a goatlike disposition.

Nevertheless, we should remember that

the final judgment of who are sheep and

who are goats is during the great tribulation.

Therefore, we have good reason

for continuing to offer as many people as

possible the opportunity to listen to and

respond to the Kingdom message.

WE conclude?

Jesus comes or Jehovah?

I always said that if people would die at Armageddon perhaps jws would do them a service by killing them so they would have a hope of a resurrection.

But jws do decide who is worthy, don’t listen to jws = goatlike

Respond to the KINGDOM message? Have you ever looked at the 4 “sample” presentations the WTS provides in the KM each month? How often does Jesus, Kingdom, and Jehovah appear?

WHEN DOES JESUS ARRIVE, OR COME?

14, 15. Which four scripture references apply

to Christ’s future coming as Judge?

14 Does a further consideration of Jesus’

prophecy reveal that our understanding

of the timing of other significant

events needs to be adjusted? The

prophecy itself gives the answer. Let us

see how.

OUR understanding

ADJUSTED? How many prophecies about Christ had to be adjusted in the first century?

15 In the part of his prophecy that is

recorded at Matthew 24:29–25:46, Jesus

focuses primarily on what will happen

during these last days and during the

coming great tribulation. There, Jesus

makes eight references to his “coming,”

or arrival.[5] Regarding the great tribulation,

he states: “They will see the Son

of man coming on the clouds.” “You do

not know on what day your Lord is coming.”

“At an hour that you do not think to

be it, the Son of man is coming.” And in

his parable of the sheep and the goats,

Jesus states: “The Son of man arrives in

his glory.” (Matt. 24:30, 42, 44; 25:31)

Each of these four references applies to

Christ’s future coming as Judge. Where

in Jesus’ prophecy do we find the remaining

four references?

Coming or Present…what were the WTS arguments about that making it 1874 and later “adjusted” to 1914?

AT AN HOUR THAT YOU DO NOT THINK IT TO BE – 1914, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1940’S, 1975, 1984, 1994

DO WE FIND

Paragraph 15: [5] The words “coming”

and “arriving” translate forms of the same

Greek verb, er_kho·mai.

16. Jesus’ coming is mentioned in what other

scriptures?

16 Regarding the faithful and discreet

slave, Jesus says: “Happy is that slave if

his master on arriving [“having come,”

ftn.] finds him doing so.” In the parable

of the virgins, Jesus states: “While

they were going off to buy, the bridegroom

arrived [“came,” Kingdom Interlinear].”

In the parable of the talents, Jesus

relates: “After a long time the master of

those slaves came.” In the same parable,

the master says: “On my arrival [“having

come,” Int] I would be receiving what

is mine.” (Matt. 24:46; 25:10, 19, 27) To

what time do these four instances of Jesus’

coming refer?

Instead of being designated the FDS in 1919, the WTS says it does not exist yet, but is yet future.

PICTURE: Until the great tribulation begins, people still have time to change their thinking

(See paragraph 13)(IS THIS NEW MATCHING UP THE PICTURE TO THE PARAGRAPH?)

17. What have we stated about the arrival mentioned

at Matthew 24:46?

17 In the past, we have stated in our

publications that these last four references

apply to Jesus’ arriving, or coming,

in 1918. As an example, take Jesus’

statement about “the faithful and discreet

slave.” (Read Matthew 24:45-47.)

We understood that the “arriving” mentioned

in verse 46 was linked to the time

when Jesus came to inspect the spiritual

condition of the anointed in 1918 and

that the appointment of the slave over

all the Master’s belongings occurred in

1919. (Mal. 3:1) However, a further consideration

of Jesus’ prophecy indicates

that an adjustment in our understanding

of the timing of certain aspects of Jesus’

prophecy is needed. Why so?

WE HAVE STATED—so the rank and file didn’t misunderstand your flawed conclusions

Adjustment – so what is the basis of the GB (a phrase not in the bible) authority?

How many more adjustments can the rank and file swallow?

18. A consideration of Jesus’ prophecy in its

entirety leads us to what conclusion about Jesus’

coming?

18 In the verses that lead up to Matthew

24:46, the word “coming” refers

consistently to the time when Jesus

comes to pronounce and execute judgment

during the great tribulation. (Matt.

24:30, 42, 44) Also, as we considered

in paragraph 12, Jesus’ ‘arriving’ mentioned

at Matthew 25:31 refers to that

same future time of judgment. So it is

reasonable to conclude that Jesus’ arrival

to appoint the faithful slave over all his

belongings, mentioned at Matthew 24:

46, 47, also applies to his future coming,

during the great tribulation.[6] Indeed, a

consideration of Jesus’ prophecy in its

entirety makes it clear that each of these

eight references to his coming applies to

the future time of judgment during the

great tribulation.

Refers consistently but not for the years from 1919 to 2013, 94 years

IT IS REASONALBE????

Passive: a consideration…makes it clear

Applies….until the next adjustment

19. What adjustments in understanding did

we consider, and what questions will be answered

in the following articles?

19 In review, what have we learned? In

the beginning of this article, we raised

three “when” questions. We first considered

that the great tribulation did not begin

in 1914 but will start when the United

Nations attacks Babylon the Great.

Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment

of the sheep and the goats did not begin

in 1914 but will occur during the great

tribulation. Finally, we examined why Jesus’

arrival to appoint the faithful slave

over all his belongings did not occur in

1919 but will take place during the great

tribulation. So, then, all three “whens”

apply to the same future time period

—the great tribulation. How does this

adjusted view further affect our understanding

of the illustration of the faithful

slave? Also, how does it affect our

understanding of other parables, or illustrations,

of Jesus that are being fulfilled

during this time of the end? These important

questions will be considered in

the following articles.

Paragraph 18: [6] As noted, the Greek

word rendered “on arriving” at Matthew

24:46 is a form of the same Greek verb

that is rendered “coming” at Matthew 24:

30, 42, 44.

We considered, reviewed, we examined, adjusted view

How does it affect OUR UNDERSTANDING of other…first all the statements about the FDS providing the proper food need to be eliminated.

ENDNOTES:

(To be read as footnotes with the corresponding

paragraphs.)

CONCLUDING COMMENTS

NEXT WEEK, “LOOK! I AM WITH YOU ALL THE DAYS”

Who were the anointed between 100 and 1879 AD?

Love, Blondie

nonjwspouse

yay thank you! I was so hoping you would resume with this July issue. I will now go and read.

Calebs Airplane

Paragraph 19:

... Finally, we examined why Jesus’

arrival to appoint the faithful slave

over all his belongings did not occur in

1919 but will take place during the great

tribulation ...

So the 8 pedophiles in Crooklyn who have named themselves the "Faithful & Discreet Slave" haven't been appointed yet? wtf?

blondie

And add to that Caleb that the phrase governing body never occurs in the Bible, not even the NWT, they can't even twist the Greek to mean that. Even the word organization is not in the Bible. What basis is there for there to have been a GB prior to the GT as you say?

I remember being in the audience when the 1914 generation was tossed in 1995 and led to many confused jws. So many jws cannot explain 1914 using the 607 to 1914 formula and they kept coming. It was just one nail in the WTS coffin for me. The only doctrine that jws want is the promise never to die and live through Armaggedon and live forever in good health on a paradise earth. They will endure pretty much all else.

St George of England

@calebs airplane So the 8 pedophiles.....haven't been appointed yet?

Yes they have, since 1919. However it is IN THE FUTURE that they will be appointed over all things IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.

I know it's twaddle but that's the current twaddle.

George

JW GoneBad

Hi Blondie. Just thought I'd mention that this article won't be covered until next week. But its' good still to have your comments a week ahead.

Looking forward to your input and everyone elses throughout the month of September!

Calebs Airplane

St George...

I hear ya... Only one problem with that... Who is currently appointed over Jesus' belongings now? (i.e.: Watchtower buildings, assembly halls, branch offices, King-Dumb Hells, etc.? Are these "belongings" being administered by Jesus until he hands them over to the 8 pedophiles in the future??? I know it's "twaddle", but I just don't get it...

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