Searching for Watchtower about working for / with disfellowshipped person

by confusedandalone 20 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  DesirousOfChange

  Employees are protected by law from being fired over religious issues. A JW employer might be pressured to discharge someone who is DFd. However, an "unrepentant" DFd-JW could have a strong case and sue the employer for wrongful termination. I would think if they could prove that the real pressure was from the Cong, then the Cong and even perhaps the WTS would be at risk of being sued too. WT would tread lightly is this arena. (See BigMac's post above.)

  However, there is nothing that prevents an active JW from quitting a job for a JW employer who gets DFd (as in this case) unless there is some kind of contractural agreement. I would think how the employee reacts may be left up to their "conscience". Do they have much personal contact with the DFd person? Of course, it really all depends on how much the local Elders want to "push" the matter. If it's an Elder or Elder's son who has a good job with the DFd individual, it would more likely that it's left a person "conscience" decision. If they don't care about the person who would be losing their job, then we know that usually JWs are TOLD WHAT THEIR CONSCIENCE IS SUPPOSED TO TELL THEM.

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  Bella15

  Oh Lord, they mix religion with business all the time ... in the long run perhaps this is a blessing in disguise ... I know how hard it is to look for good experienced employees but if you do everything from your heart you will not be wrong and everything will work out for the good. Let the crazy people go. Erase all traces of this cult from your life little by little ... as much as it hurt I have counted as losses all my JWs relatives and I do not consider any JWs my acquaintance or friend and God forbid business associates ... all that part of my life story is in God's hand. Been there, done that, case closed.
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  LongHairGal

  confusedandalone:

  Now, the religion is in the angry stage and they want revenge because they cannot control you anymore. They are furious that you do not want them and that you do not esteem them. In your case, they are doubly angry.

  However, the only way they can apparently get to you, is through your JW employees. Hopefully, for these people, I hope they don't quit their jobs. This is an employers market and we are in something resembling a depression. Any wise person knows they can be replaced in a heartbeat.

  As another poster mentioned: is the religion going to support these people they are urging to quit their jobs? No. I didn't think so.

  It wouldn't be a bad idea for YOU to have extra people ready, just in case some misguided individuals decide to stage a "walk-out" all at once. (I'd like to see what happens if these people go the unemployment office and say "they walked off the job because of your religious beliefs".)

  Maybe cooler heads will prevail and in time, this will die down.
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  Watchtower-Free

  I doubt this will die down . The elders are very threatened by you and

  as with many elders they are certainly jealous of your success .

  They would like nothing better then to be able to cause you financial distress .

  Elders are not thinking of the financial welfare of your JW employees to them its

  all about power and control

  Hopefully their cult like conduct will cause some of your employees to research the cult .
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  problemaddict

  Hmmm. Your local elders didn't really seem to be guys that would do this. I wonder if its the "new guy", and how he feels about his wife hanging around with two bit apostates. I'll bet the elder that got them the interview will have to do extra penance. :)

  Honestly though, you had already spoken to your employees about this, they said they were good with it. Make that a matter of record. Now they are being harrassed to quit their jobs? Has anyone told you this, or did someone quit?

  You don't strike me as the type of guy that would be ruined by loosing a few employees. After all, there is not a spectacular job pool out there as it is. I would say keep it close to the vest, and get the lawyer involved and active right away.
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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  If I remember correctly, this 1981 Watchtower is the policy change Ray Franz alluded to in Crisis of Conscience as being the basis for the WTS finally disfellowshipping him.

  this statement makes it a conscience matter

  "conscience matter" = you do what your local elders/WT tell you to do according to their "conscience".
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  KiddingMe

  Problemaddic has got a point about the elder that got them the interview. Make this statement from him a matter of record too:

  "My Brother you should really think about what you are doing here... the same way Jehovah blessed you with all you have he can definitely take it away..."

  He (and whoever else suggested it) knew your situation when they approached you about a month ago to give them a job, as a matter of fact this was his way of offering you an opportunity to regain some of your joy by assisting others. He threatens that Jah will take your blessings away if you do not help. Then you decide to help (not because of the threat, but because the candidate was sufficiently qualified) and now they want to "take your blessings away" by being the conscience police for your JW staff. Where was this conscience police when he called you a month ago? Haven't that much changed from your standpoint.

  You can't win for losing, damned if you don't, damned if you do.
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  Miss.Fit

  Any updates?
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  cognizant dissident

  I don't know where you are from, but in Canada, you cannot fire anyone for religious reasons or even contribute to making their employment atmosphere uncomfortable or hostile (by treating them differently at work then you would someone else). It is an automatic charter of rights case that goes to the Supreme Court of Canada and the penalties for employers found guilty are horrendous, (fines in the millions).

  Of course, your typical small business owner employing JW's may not know this, and doesn't have such deep pockets but the Society does and you know they are very aware of the Charter of Rights especially when it comes to religious matters.

  So there is no way in hell they are going to come out and say in writing that an employer should fire an employee who is df'd. They could be named in the lawsuit as fomenting religious persecution (ironic eh?). They are not that stupid when it comes to covering their butts legally.
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  Aunt Fancy

  This topice interests me too because we too have a few JW's that work for us and we have faded. They would lose a a great paying job plus we are not hard to work for. At this point we will stay faded but you never known how things will turn out with the strong councel the have been giving lately. There are not plenty of good paying jobs out there so I wonder what your employees would do. Keep us up to date and I wish you only the best. You sure have had your share this year.