The Day The US Drops To #2

by metatron 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos
    They aren't playing....They are dead serious and not distracted by foolish military adventures in the Middle East.

    Indeed! China has the hunger. America had it once, when we were a young nation struggling to tame a wild land and live free. Then we ate and were satisfied. Now it's China's turn, and presumably India's turn. A prediction that's been made for years now is that we'll end up with a three-bloc world -- the Americas, Europe, and Asia (with various 3rd world countries falling into each bloc). But even if the U.S. retains some of its power, its days in the sun as "the world power" are clearly numbered. Mene mene tekel parsin.

    The 2012 District Convention special talk made it clear that WT no longer teaches that another world power will rise up. What exists now is the end of it.

    I do remember that talk quite clearly because I was surprised that they seemed to double-down on this "USA is the last power" notion right as the U.S. is losing its power -- BUT, notice my WT quotation above from the same time period. The WBTS is still saying that there will be an eighth king, even though it's not a kingdom. My suggestion is that the GB is going to change their interpretation of the eighth king if the U.S. suffers a clear fall to China as world power, to buy themselves a little more time. At least, that's what I would do if I were in charge.

  • TotallyADD
    TotallyADD

    There is alot of talk about how the world banking system will break apart and cause a world depression. But the US will still have all it's bombs and ships and planes to kill everybody my guess who the next world power will be would be India. The only reason I say that is because it makes no sense at all just like the Wt. making their perdictions. Totally ADD

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    well the easiest way to kill off American power and influence is to destroy their influence over Oil. Right now all OPEC member Nations and a few others only except US dollars for Oil (this is the real reason for the invasion in Iraq). If a Nation or several nations were to change this the US dollar would fall like rain drops.

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    Russia fits perfectly as the seventh head.

    The Russian empire is the head of the beast that appeared slaughtered to death.

    The Rich Harlot that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth is not False Religion but rather the USA. When the Harlot is destroyed China's merchants will be among the mourners who lament because "there is no one to buy their full stock anymore" (Rev. 18:11,12)

    Revelation says that one of the heads of the wild beast appeared to have been slaughtered to death but it came back to life. Soviet Union is the only major world power in modern history to cease it's existence. It is common to speak of "The Death of the Soviet Union". It happened in 1991 when Gorbachev was forced to resign.

    The USA (Babylon the Great) has been in conflict with the Soviet Union for almost all of my life time. For a while it looked like Russia would behave itself and become as compliant as a lamb. But it has begun speaking as a fierce dragon - especially since Putin came to power.

    The Watchtower keeps mis-translating and misinterpreting Revelation 17:11

    Most translations say the "wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eight king and is ONE OF THE SEVEN."

    Look at the Westcott and Hort translation.

    17:11 κα? "and" τ? "the-one" θηρ?ον "a-beastlet" ? "which" "it-was" κα?"and" ο?κ "not" ?στιν. "it-be." κα? "And" α?τ?ς "it" ?γδο?ς "eighth" ?στιν "it-be" κα? "and" "out" τ?ν "of-the-ones" ?πτ? "of-seven" ?στιν, "it-be," κα?"and" ε?ς "into" ?π?λειαν "to-a-destructing-off-of" ?π?γει. "it-leadeth-under."

    The NWT says the eighth "springs from the seven" to make it sound like it is a composite of all the beasts the same as the League/United Nations . This fits their twisted idea that the United Nations is going to destroy False Religion (Babylon the Great). Compare the way the NWT translates the yellow highlighted section in the above scripture at Revelation 17:11 and the yellow highlighted section in the scripture at Acts 21:8. Why do they translate it as "springs from" in Revelation 17:11 and "one of" at Acts 21:8

    21:8 τ? "Unto-the-one" δ? "moreover" ?πα?ριον "upon-to-morrow" ?ξελθ?ντες "having-had-came-out"?λθαμεν "we-came" ε?ς "into" Καισαρ?αν, "to-a-Kaisaria," κα? "and" ε?σελθ?ντες "having-had-came-into" ε?ς"into" τ?ν "to-the-one" ο?κον "to-a-house" Φιλ?ππου "of-a-Filippos" το? "of-the-one" ε?αγγελιστο? "of-a-goodly-messenger" ?ντος "of-being" "out" τ?ν "of-the-ones" ?πτ? "of-seven" ?με?ναμεν "we-stayed" παρ'"beside" α?τ?. "unto-it."

    The eighth king was indeed ONE OF THE SEVEN. It was the ONE OF THE SEVEN that got the death-stroke and revived to become an EIGHTH KING. As the eighth king it had a specail relationship to the "head that was slaughtered". "It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and those who dwell in it worship the first wild beast, whose death-stroke got healed."

    The beast that "was but is not" mentioned in Revelation 17:11 is the same as the head of the beast that appeared slaughtered but whose death-stroke was healed. Rev 13:3 "and all the earth followed the wild beast WITH ADMIRATION."Compare with Revelation 17:8 "And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will WONDER ADMIRINGLY.

    The 10 horns that hate the USA/Harlot and join forces with the Wild Beast is the Eurasian Union that Putin is trying to build and which the USA is trying to prevent. Hillary Clinton as Sec of State said that the USA is determined to prevent the formation of the Eurasian Union because it's Putin's effort to re-establish the Soviet Union.

    Of course most will discount Revelation and other Bible prophesies because there is no God and prophecy is just impossible. But it is at least interesting that there are some better ways to explain Revelation than what the JW's currently present.

    Hey maybe they have time to put this in a talk and present it as "NEW LIGHT" at their big corporate meeting.

  • Mum
    Mum

    The "second-rate" nations have health care, long vacations, and don't think they have to save the world by participating in every conflict across the globe. I look forward to the day when we become "second-rate."

  • metatron
    metatron

    I agree. Americans would be better off if the US stopped being an empire trying to police the world.

    metatron

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    The attempts to create a fullfillment of this so-called prophecy are so stupid that you wonder aobut the sanity of those promoting them.

    This site: http://www.worldslastchance.com/end-time-prophecy/revelation-17-prophecy-of-the-seven-kings-8th-king-identified.html

    attempts to make Pope Francis the 8th King.

    This one is similar to the WTS: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/8_kings.htm

    This site attempts to be rational about it: http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/prophecy/seven-heads.htm

    And, according to these "Bible experts," the last king seems to be the Catholic church. http://www.remnantofgod.org/king8.htm

    And, this one wants to make Islam the 7th King: http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/johns_kings_beasts.htm

    The whole thing is rubbish, though. As a prophecy it fails to predict the division of the Roman Empire, into 'East' (Byzantium) and "West' (Rome) and the fall of the western empire at the hands of the central Asians.

    It fails to predict the fatal competition between the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) and the Sasanian/Iranian Empire. It fails to predict the fall of both Byzantium (over a longer time period) and the Iranian Empire to the Islamic Arabian Tribes.

    It fails to mention the East Asia people - China and the Mongolian Empire which conquered not only East Asia (excepting Japan) but much of West Asia and could easily (if they'd stayed) conquered much of Europe.

    Anyone putting their faith in this spiritual junk will have their 'hope' fail.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Wouldn't be surprised if we started hearing rumors about China being the King of the North's "new identity".

    Spin doctors are the universe's only working "perpetual motion" machines.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    To me, the King of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West are similar fictitious evil powers. The WW of the West is just a newer concept.

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