The Great Tribulation Was in the 1st Century and WIll Never Occur Agian

by cassuk11 36 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • ablebodiedman
    ablebodiedman

    Jesus Christ was not talking about a disgusting thing entering the stone temple in Jerusalem.

    He was talking about the temple which he inaugurated with his own blood.

    You have to read Daniel with discernment:

    Daniel 8:11-12

    And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature],because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

    Daniel 11:31

    And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary , the fortress, and remove the constant [feature].

    "And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.

    I just listened to what Messiah said.

    abe

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

    Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.In the holy place.

    Albert Barnes comments: "Standing in the holy place - Mark says, standing where it ought not,” meaning the same thing. All Jerusalem was esteemed “holy,” Mat_4:5. The meaning of this is, when you see the Roman armies standing in the holy city or encamped around the temple, or the Roman ensigns or standards in the temple."

    Ablebodiedman: Very little is ascribed the word holy in the gospels. God, Jesus, the city and it's temple uniquely qualify. God's holy presence in the temple remained until the death of Christ, when the temple veil was ripped from top to bottom (i.e. from above) exposing the fact that God's holy presence was removed and the temple desolate as Jesus ominous prophetic pronouncement indicated. (see Matthew 23:38)

    This act of God symbolized the permanent removal of God's presence accompaning the nations rejection of their messiah; Israel's greatest loss made this the worst unrepeatabe disaster possible for Israel. The complete physical destruction of the holy temple (as a witness to the nations) ratified this divine rejection for the entire world to see for all time... to which the Dome of the Rock and the wailing wall continue to attest.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Abe, if the holyplace was not Jerusalem or the temple and its yet a future event then what can the holyplace be?

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Yes, good question. Local judgment. Why should we gentiles worry about fleeing on the Sabbath or in winter or from Judaea.....unless Jerusalem doesn't mean Jerusalem. Judaea doesn't mean Judaea, fields, and rooftops don't mean fields and rooftops etc. etc.

  • cassuk11
    cassuk11

    good comments Vanderhoven7 thankyou. See my youtube channel for more disscusion on 1st fulfillment of prophecy

  • designs
    designs

    cassuk11- are you just dropping by to pitch your infomercials. It is a discussion forum not Mary Kay pitches.

  • cassuk11
    cassuk11

    The temple that Yehsuah raise up is a spiritual one and cannot be seen or touched. He raised it up in three days and that temple was himself. It is not made of bricks or mortar and cannot be seen

  • Fencing
    Fencing

    Designs, it appears you recieved your answer.

  • designs
    designs

    Fencing- sign me up for the Mary Kay monthly specials lol

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Cassuk11: I don’t believe in the preterist view. I just listened to what Messiah said. The fact that it lines up with some school of thought is irrelevant. He plainly said to the disciples they would not finish going through all the cities of Israel before the son of man comes in his Kingdom. Also he told the high priest he would see the son of man coming on the clouds. Also some of those standing right in front of him would still be alive when he returned.. SO as it stands we either believe what the Messiah said or we don’t. The prophecies were about the destruction of Jerusalem and more importantly the temple.

    The only problem is that we can't fully trust the ancient manuscripts we have since none are original. It’s entirely likely that some later scribe manipulated the Savior’s words in the hopes that the Second Coming would be in his day or, at the least, earlier.

    If one accepts these prophecies, then it’s clear these prophesies failed, right? Zechariah 12-14 describes the events, not of the Roman assault, but of a future assault during which God would bolster Israel, and the Messiah would rescue the Jews in the day of their redemption. According to prophecy, a number of things had to happen. First, the Jews would be scattered throughout the nations of the earth. Then, wolves in lambs’ clothing would enter the church, not sparing the flock. This would be followed by a “falling away” or mass apostasy. Centuries passed, the keys of the kingdom, or administerial authority, would pass away. The coming of Elijah, who would “restore all things,” was destined to occur, and then the gathering of Judah spoken about in Isaiah 11 would come to pass, followed by the building of the third temple (See Rev. 14). Once established, a great power from the north would come down on the holy city and the Lord would raise up two prophets. Three and a half years later, the Lord comes in his glory and rescues the remnant Jews and destroys Judah’s enemies, leaving only a sixth of the enemy intact.

    At that point he descends upon the Mount of Olives, and an earthquake tears a rift into the mount, splitting it asunder. The remnant of the Jews flee into the valley and the Messiah reveals himself, converting the Jewish state in a single day. That’s a lot to happen in one’s lifetime; that’s why I dismiss any prophecies that seem to push the event in the Lord’s generation.

    At the end of our fleshly life span we will be changed in the blink of an eye into the Kingdom the which has been here for 2,000 years it is within. It cannot be seen or touched. But those who want to seek it will find it. Eventually all people will enter in the gates of the New Jerusalem are never shut. It is symbolic metaphor language to describe the spiritual state you will be in for eternity.

    Yeah...the blinking of the eye transformation occurs during the Millennium when one reaches the age of man, which is about a hundred years old. At that point, he will change from mortality to immortality in the twinkling of an eye. The resurrection for those who are dead will begin to happen at the Lord’s coming at that will be the resurrection of the just. The resurrection of the unjust comes at the end of the Millennium.

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