Richard Dawkins Fail...

by tenyearsafter 43 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • steve2
    steve2

    Richard Dawkins is a hard-hitting communicator. What he says is remembered - even when it is not entirely accurately remembered - or removed from context. Why shouldn't he speak up on this issue, given he was indecently assaulted as a boy by a teacher? Is his view invalid because it is not popularly received? He was careful to frame his comments as his "view" and he acknowledged sexual abuse is harmful.

    Research by Judith Hermann (a well-known researcher and author on the assessment and treatment of trauma in the early 1990s), concluded that for every 3 victims of sexual abuse, one will definitely benefit from treatment to resolve the abuse, another could benefit from some psychoeducation on how to process what happened but is fundamentally able to cope and the other will not need any intervention whatsoever because they have found it has not impaired their subsequent quality of life. To the best of my knowledge, that research has never been challenged but largely accepted as sound.

    There are twin dangers in any discussion on pedophilia: Minimizing it or magnifying it. Any writer who wants to talk about "degrees" of abuse is usually on a hiding to no where - yet, it is a necessary discussion. Clearly, there are acts of abuse that are so incontrovertibly severely abusive that there is little disagreement on the level of "public" outrage. Yet, there are also acts of abuse that, although warranting condemnation and sanction, if not prosecution, are not so incontrovertibly severely abusive. It takes a brave - or unwise? - soul to speak to this aspect for fear of being misconstrued. As I have said, abusers need to be called to account for their behaviour, regardless of how seemingly inconsequential - but let's not scare any victim into concluding they must have been severely damaged when they may not have been. There I have said it (and I was molested by a member of the Salvation Army when I was a kid)!

    One of the "dangers" if you like, of adopting a view that all sexual abuse is severe is inadvertently signal to victims that they have been severely damaged, if not physically and/or sexually, then psychologically - when that may not have been the case at all. But by thus speaking, the victim may be left believing something is wrong with her or him because they do not appraise themselves as so damaged.

    At worst - and I stress this as an "at worst" scenario, it feeds into a questionable notion that all victims of sexual abuse, almost regardless of how defined, require intense psychotherapy to recover. This conveniently fosters accusations of there being a "sex-abuse-recovery industry" that makes money by professionally treating victims of sexual abuse.

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    Adamah...I agree with much of your last comment. We could probably do a long string posts just on the insanity of our (U.S.) sentencing laws. The fact that a person can do more prison time for certain types of white collar crimes than murder makes me shake my head. I think we can all agree that the issue of child absue, of any type, is a volatile topic, and constitutes abhorrent behaviour. Adamah, although we may not always agree on every point, I do appreciate your well thought out responses to discussions.

    Steve2...I think RD has every right to comment on this or any subject. I also think that we should take his comments, as with any other opinion, with a balanced approach and not accept it as gospel just because we respect the source. I don't think anyone would argue that sexual torture is not more outrageous and severe than fondling. I am not a psychologist, so I can't speak to the harm the "lesser" of these acts causes the victim...I will assume that it varies from person to person. Unfortunately, RD is not a psychologist either, so what he speaks is strictly personal opinion. My concern is that some would take what he says as having more validity because of his expertise in a completely different field, thus confusing some people as to how they should react to this sensitive and serious subject.

  • adamah
    adamah

    10yrsafter said-

    Adamah...I agree with much of your last comment. We could probably do a long string posts just on the insanity of our (U.S.) sentencing laws. The fact that a person can do more prison time for certain types of white collar crimes than murder makes me shake my head. I think we can all agree that the issue of child absue, of any type, is a volatile topic, and constitutes abhorrent behaviour.

    BTW, I rechecked the case I cited (Gilbert Simental, Murietta, CA) and he was sentenced to 45 years to life for fondling the legs of two girls at his daughter's sleep-over. On the surface, it seems like a bit harsh AND costly for the taxpayers, where probation, home sentencing (wearing a leg bracelet), and court-ordered counselling (paid for out of HIS pocket) would seem a way to keep him still contributing to society rather than putting the burden on the taxpayers. Instead, he's in prison and has left a wife and two kids in Murietta.

    Perhaps the judge had access to information that indicated that Simental WAS so great a threat to the community at large that confinement was the ONLY solution, but in the current "lock 'em up and throw away the key" environment with mandatory sentencing laws that tie the judges hands, the way approach the problem seems like something future generations will look back upon and say, "WTF were they thinking?" (much as we do now when looking at the way slave owners were allowed to mistreat "their" slaves, which is what RD pointed out was likely incorrect).

    BTW, in looking at information for this topic, I ran across the story of Pete Townshend (The Who) getting caught up in a sting operation for child porn, ten years ago:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/pete-townshends-child-porn-treatise

    (His defense stretches credibility, eg claiming "prevalent ads for child porn" (and what sites was he visiting, anyway, for ads for child porn to appear)?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/05/07/uk.townshend/index.html

    Townshend was "cautioned" by the Police and placed on the sex offender registry list for 5 years for paying via credit card, even though no files were found on his computer, although he admitted to surfing to the site repeatedly to look at a free preview (itself a crime, punishable by 5 years in prison in the UK).

    Adamah, although we may not always agree on every point, I do appreciate your well thought out responses to discussions.

    Thanks, and And thanks for posting the story.

    BTW, my goal is not necessarily to convince anyone to agree on every point, but to point out the value of considering all sides before coming to any conclusions.

    Adam

  • steve2
    steve2
    BTW, my goal is not necessarily to convince anyone to agree on every point, but to point out the value of considering all sides before coming to any conclusions.
    Adam

    Excellent reflection Adam. This comes as close as it gets to my own philosophy when it comes to exhanges of ideas.

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