“How can we be sure the Bible has not been changed?”

by Doug Mason 14 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Doug Mason

  At page 63 of its book, “Reasoning from the Scriptures”, the Watchtower Society poses the question: “How can we be sure the Bible has not been changed?”

  The “Reasoning” book opens its response with a citation from a book written in 1929: The Bible From the Beginning by P. Marion Simms.

  I have prepared a Study that examines whether the “Reasoning from the Scriptures” book accurately presents the position presented by Simms in his book.

  http://www.jwstudies.com/We_can_be_sure.pdf

  Does Simm's book really say that “we can be sure the Bible has not been changed”?

  Doug
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  insearchoftruth4

  Doug, just for starters. Mark Chap. 16...Gospel of John Chap. 8:1-11...Jer. 8:8..Isaiah 37 compare 2 kings 19..just the tip of the iceburg my man

  insot4
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  WTWizard

  How can we be sure it was accurate in the first place? Now, if you believe Jesus existed, he died in 33 CE. When were the Gospels written up? Much later. How would you remember, accurately, things that happened a good 40 years earlier? I wouldn't, not to that degree and not if the butt-holy spirit was trying to guide me to writing it up with a view of enslaving the whole human race.

  And even if it was accurate, is it beneficial? Right at the start, the LIE-ble put us in subjection to joke-hova, depriving us the right to know what is good and bad for ourselves. Of what benefit is that, unless you enjoy being a slave? Then Satan, who has been taking undeserved hatred for this since, opened His big mouth to deprive joke-hova the thrill of enslaving us while giving us the gift of freedom. Ever since, the LIE-ble has bashed Satan for this act. Beneficial to who? And what good is it to have a god that condones slavery, bashing of women for no good reason, genocide, war for no reason other than to impose its belief system on outsiders, sexual repressions, and poverty? While banning people from exploring their own souls?
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  Doug Mason

  I suggest you read my Study. My purpose is to investigate whether the "Reasoning" book correctly represented the book by Rev. Paris Marion Simms.

  A major issue that flows from this Study does relate to the nature of the Bible, but the primary objective is to show that once again the WTS deceives, that it misquotes, that it misrepresents.

  When I searched the www for information on the book by Simms, I constantly encountered this misquotation from the "Reasoning" book. Hopefully my Study will introduce honesty into the discussion.

  It is not surprising that the author of this item in the "Reasoning" book cited a book published in 1929. At the time (1985, 1989), it would have been nigh impossible to verify the source; the situation is very different today.

  This misquoting, misrepresenting of Simms' book is yet another example of the WTS's constant and deliberate mishandling of truth; we have encountered it in areas such as their neo-Babylonian chronology and with the medical use of parts of blood. The situation described in this Study relates to the nature of the Bible. A significant problem for many Christians is their desire to protect it, with many even calling it "The Word of God". Having that bias makes it difficult for those people to run an objective discussion with the defenders of the WTS.

  Doug
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  bats in the belfry

  Isn't the “Reasoning from the Scriptures” book dated, anyway?
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  Doug Mason

  bats,

  Whether the WTS's truth is out of date or not is irrelevent. The issue is whether the WTS handles facts honestly.

  If age makes a truth into a lie, then why did the "Reasoning" book cite a book that was already 60 years old and more recent facts were available, especially with the finds in 1947.

  Which WTS book has replaced the "Aid" and "Reasoning" books?

  Doug
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  smiddy

  Doug

  This misquoting, misrepresenting of Simms' book is yet another example of the WTS's constant and deliberate mishandling of truth; we have encountered it in areas such as their neo-Babylonian chronology and with the medical use of parts of blood.

  And of course their have been other such deceptions , misrepresenting what people say or have said to give a favourable slant to what the society says.

  Three mis quotes that stand out with me are , Carl Sagan , higher education , and the societys misrepresentation of John 1:1 by an authourtative source. These were 3 things that led me to the TTATT . apart from a couple of other things .

  smiddy
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  yadda yadda 2

  There's actually a very strong case that most of it hasn't changed, but more to the point is whether the supernatural, miraculous events recorded in them are the actions of a 'God' or just made up hogwash written by ancient Jewish priests to scare the populace into obedience. But if someone wants to believe that the Bible is an accurate historical account of a 'God' killing first born children, drowning all of humanity, authorising or condoning genocide, ethnic cleansing, causing famines, stopping the sun, parting seas, etc, and that these are all historical miraculous divine events, then well...errm, that's more about credulity than historicity.
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  Legacy

  Hi All,

  I was watching one of those TV Preachers...here's a point he made..by the way, I'm newly baptized, but not drinking the ALL the kool-aide....I listen & keep my opinions to myself. I know what the bible says & so does the ORG. All of us will have to give an account...so God is fair....he see's our hearts. GB's are going to have to answer for themselves & we will too. When Man interprets the bible & you go home & check it...God see's that...& in your heart, you must believe God's word First & Forever...So rest easy....We all will have our day in court...would you much rather be a GB or just a member, not swallowing all the kool-aide..Anyway, the subject...

  How can we be sure the Bible has not been changed, we can't...but as I said, I heard this point from Pastor...

  Faith, comes by hearing & hearing comes from the word of God... So is faith confined to the scriptures ? Back in the OT times, when the bible was still being written, & folks could not go to the scriptures, how did they sustain their Faith...then, he brought up...Walk by Faith not by sight. We are privledged to have the bible to read (maybe) but that's by site, back in the day they walked by Faith...So again, the question is not so much has the bible changed but is the word of confined only in the scriptures...

  Just a thought,

  Legacy
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  mindnumbed

  Doug, thanks for your work and for sharing it with us.

  clickable link

  http://www.jwstudies.com/We_can_be_sure.pdf