The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.

by Stand for Pure Worship 187 Replies latest jw friends

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    Stand for True Worship

    Put aside all the tit for tat WWF BS exchanges.

    Jehovah's Witnesses aren't constructed to surpass others in growth.
    They are constructed to SURVIVE.

    Massive Redundancy is the key. Massive redundancy is a familiar
    term to engineers that have to build very expensive apparatus that
    have to survive without a lot of external input. For example
    satellites have numerous back-up systems that can carry on in case
    of damage.

    Yes Jehovah's Witnesses have been about numbers. That is a
    human tendency - the "mine is bigger than yours" game. But there
    are any number of crazy rules that if they were removed
    (blood,birthdays,holidays, smoking) would add huge numbers.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are more interested in the template of
    membership than size. This forms a perfect matrix for additional
    redundancies. That's why you could take a JW from any Kingdom
    Hall and drop them off at any other Kingdom Hall in the world and
    inspite of language differences they could easily get up to speed
    with their new associates.

    Every local congregation down to the service group level mirrors
    every other congregation in the world. They are taught to respect
    their leaders even though they are every bit as fallible as everyone
    else. Everyone knows the rules. That's why they have so many
    meetings. Everyone is sensitive to the slightest deviance from the
    "party" line. As soon as an individual doesn't fit the template in
    words or actions (including style of clothing) they are gradually
    pushed to the periphery and if necessary they are expelled by means
    of a judicial system. They have redundancy of leadership. If one
    leader dies there is another to immediately take his place that is
    familiar with all the rules and requirements.

    This close association that is viewed by many of us as authoritarian
    and repressive is the LOVE referred to at John 13:35, "Your love
    for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples."
    Don't look at the inter-congregational friction. Even a family that
    appears ideal to people on the outside could be a mess of rivalries
    on the inside. But you try to attack that family and they will close
    ranks and set aside their personal problems. Many who leave JW's
    cry out for "unconditional" love. A baby gets unconditional love.
    An adult has to learn to love themselves.

    The single factor that sets JW's apart for survival is that they view
    themselves as alien residents. They are subjects of a different
    non-earthly government. They refuse to let nationalism have the
    same effect on them as it has the rest of the of the world . Even
    voting isn't allowed which would fan the fame of loyalty to a
    political party.

    All of this is what you would expect from disciples of Christ.

    Jesus spoke about a "great tribulation" that couldn't be compared to
    any of all the woes humans have faced. A tribulation that would be
    shortened to prevent human extinction. The date for this tribulation
    was left open so he said "keep on the watch. That has been the
    predominant theme of JW's. What do they watch? The main thing
    is some kind of world event that says peace has been accomplished
    followed immediately by an act of aggression referred to as a
    desolating force standing where it shouldn't . That is the time for
    flight. Flight is a recurring theme in the Bible. 1Thess 5:3 suggests
    the need for escape. Christians are told to flee Babylon before its
    sudden destruction. Flee Jerusalem. Rev. 13:10 advises "If anyone
    is meant for captivity he goes away into captivity. If anyone will
    kill with the sword he must be killed with the sword." Christians
    have no swords because they don't have to do battle for survival.
    They will willingly be captive or displaced persons knowing that
    they will eventually be rescued. Sure there are other groups that are
    close knit but they are divided in their loyalty by their willingness to
    defend their motherland.

    The discussion in the Bible about the great tribulation is associated
    with the fall of the worlds governments. The people who will
    survive will need massive redundancy. They will need to instantly
    know who their brothers (allies) are. They will need to survive
    huge population displacement. They will need to be able to
    communicate without electronic technology. Jehovah's Witnesses
    are distributed in such a way that messages could be transferred
    over fairly short distances on foot. With the absence of
    governmental agencies they will still have a useable judicial system
    for settling disputes and dealing with the unruly. Every cell
    (congregation) is intimately familiar with their local territory. There
    would be no need for a displaced congregation to struggle with
    orientation.

    This is why JW could surive a catastrophe that would threaten the
    whole human race.

    As an atheist I still associate with JW's because I consider it a type
    of survival insurance. I believe most of the Bible is like junk DNA.
    It's sole purpose is to transfer to some group of people the
    instructions and model for survival. The only way to assure its
    replication is to embed it in a religious context which gives it sacred
    status. I take seriously the prophecies that involve the need for flight
    and the need to prevent total extinction of the human race. This
    group of Christians play a little numerology game to keep up their
    anticipation. They look for signs in the worlds affairs. Sometimes
    they are wrong. This is necessary to keep this idea alive long
    enough to form a large enough association to be noticed in a world
    of billions of people. JW's are about the size of the average member
    of the UN. They will stand out as survivors after the dust settles.

    It seems nationalism is the enemy of mankinds progress. There
    needs to be a reset. The reset is a catastrophic event that is so great
    that the survivors never go down the nationalistic capitalistic road
    again. Once humans start cooperating with each other they will be
    able to join the Cosmic Federation of Culture Formed Worlds. It
    sounds fantastic. It doesn't sound like the smooth course JW's
    believe. If there really were an all powerful - all knowing being do
    you think he might have prevented this miserable world from even
    existing? He would have anticipated this terrible outcome and
    would have never made humans. Instead it suggests that it is under
    the direction of a Sky Kingdom of Aliens. Sentient Brothers from
    other worlds who "feel" for us and have seen it happen many times
    in many places.

  • Watchtower-Free
    Watchtower-Free

    I have to ask the original poster . Is this a recent photo of you

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    SFPW's thread title is "The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success."

    It occurred to me that the XJW community might not want to match Jehovah's Witnesses' "success"...

    ...if they did, they'd arguably be JWs, again.

  • SloppyJoe
    SloppyJoe

    I haven't read this thread so maybe it has been said but isn't Jehovah's Witnesses success surviving Armageddon? The field service hours, meeting attendance, carrying microphones, doing the sound, setting up the stage, passing out literature, counting contributions, reading from the stage, giving demonstrations from the stage, giving talks on the theocratic ministry school, door security, being an attendant, commenting at meetings, cutting the kingdom hall grass, being a parking attendant at the memorial, passing the emblems at the memorial, having a part at an assembly, converting new members, shoveling snow on the sidewalk and parking lot, conducting the meeting for field service, saying a public prayer, saying a prayer before or after a meeting, counting the meeting attendance, those are all the things you do to demonstrate how good your chances are of surviving Armageddon. But as far as I can tell, until Armageddon comes and Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones left on earth to clean it up and rebuild it, they haven't successfully accomplished anything.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The only real thing JWS have success in, is supporting a corrupt maligning religious publishing house the Watchtower Corporation.

    From a different viewpoint these disingenuous business men who started this publishing house such as C T Russell and J Rutherford were

    successful in fooling a small segment of the population into being their own subservient sales representatives, cultivating more power

    and wealth toward themselves.

    A case of the gullible and naive being coerced by the disingenuous and corrupt.

    Most could see through this fraud some unfortunately couldn't.

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    Russel is probably rolling over in his corporate pyramid scheme right now.

  • jhine
    jhine

    SFPW , I am sorry that you find me troublesome , I just would like some answers , actual proper answers to questions asked , and no what you posted has not answered me at all . Please read what you posted to me and and tell me how that was an answer to the questions that I have been asking . I suspect that you find me troublesome because you know that the questions are valid and that I keep saying that the lies and trickery of the WT are easily proved in their own literature .I believe that what you are experiencing now is called cognitive dissonance . You are finding out things on this site which do not agree with the thought pattern ingrained into you by the Watchtower . This is painful and hard to cope with .

    As someone who loves the Bible and Christ our saviour I do not like the wrong teaching and perverting of the Gospel message that marks the Watchtower corporation . I know that many atheists on this forum who no longer believe in God our Father still aknowledge the way the Bible has been used by the WT to enslave many to follow the Govening Body and and deny Christ as the only way to the Father . ( Which they would agree with if they were not atheists ) .

    Please any atheists out there who feel that I have misrepresented them let me know . I just want to make a point to SFPW about the WT which is , I think , a common aim here .

    Jan

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Stand for Pure Worship:

    One thing that surprised me, was a couple posts which attempted to compare the growth of other religions with Jehovah's Witnesses, and I don't think that's a fair comparison.

    So... that's not a fair comparison, but you imagine there's some logic in comparing a corporation run by donations and slave labour with former members who for the most part aren't remotely interested in the 'competition' you've dreamed up??

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