Gosh, what do you do with people like this? (page 2)

Laika

I like that you kept reminding him you were in for 14 years. JWs are so used to brazenly lying to people about their beliefs that they often forget to turn it off when they speak to people who know what they're talking about. It's really frustrating.

Julia Orwell

That's why I kept reminding him I suppose, and to make him think, "Hey if she was in for 14 years, then maybe, just maybe, she might know more about the religion than I do, so I shouldn't dismiss what she says."

OUTLAW

Gosh, what do you do with people like this?

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Julia Orwell

I realised it too late unfortunately, Outlaw.

new hope and happiness

it's a pointless circle...i have had so many of these conversations...going round and round...today i find i cant be botherd.

Well whats the point?

Captain Blithering

Don't give up , that sounded to me like AT LEAST you've sown some seeds, if not actually gotten through a little. . . .

At the very least youve helped them realise that apostates arent bile filled lie spewers but reasonable reasoners.

This conversation will stick with them for sure, and when they start seeing the attitudes youve described then itll all come flooding back..

Well done!

Rattigan350

You jumped around from subject to subject and then loaded and fired the anti-watchtower material, which is not good toward your purposes.

Theredeemer

I sometimes sense there is no way to go, at least for congregational fellowship,

After all defenses have been made, after all arguments have been exhausted it always comes down to this, "where else do we go?".

This is the only thing keeping people in. Although this is one link in the chain, this link is virtually unbreakable. All the others can be broken except this one. Fear of isolation is much stronger than the desire for freedom and the Organization preys on it. The interesting thing is in order to become indoctrinated they must first isolate you. They isolate one from classmates, workmates, family, many of your hobbies, many of your former dreams and hopes for the future and in many cases your spouse and children. They also deem your past relationship with god as fruitless and actually make one think the whole time they were part of satan's org. So, in a way, they isolate one from god. After they destroy those relationships, they then demonize them, thus severing any left over ties.

Whats left is a huge enormous gaping hole, and who is there to fill it: Jehovah(aka Governing Body). "Here is your new family; they will love you better than your real one!! Here are your new friends, they will love you agape style!!" "Your job is not important, as long as you have a roof, it doesnt interfere with us and you donate to us, Jehovah will bless you!! Your dreams are not the right dreams, here are new and better ones!! The future is now filled with pet pandas and lions!!"

They paint it all as an upgrade. They trick you into believing your life sucked and the only way to get a better one is to join them. This is why they "study" with people instead of just getting baptised on the spot. It takes a while to convince people that everything about thier life was wrong and ungodly. This is thier "vomiting" period. 3 months- 1 one year of spitting out everything you once believed and everyone you once cared about and loved.

Once your in, to leave means to return to vomit. When one is studying you have an entire congregation at your side. When you leave, not so much. This is Isolation. At this point, freedom is very very expensive!

J. Hofer

marijuana IS better than heroin...

Julia Orwell

Wow Redeemer, you put it all so concisely. I've never heard the process of becoming a jw so accurately and insightfully put; indeed I never realized consciously that that's what happens until reading what you wrote. Of course I knew it subconsciously, but you've really articulated it. Thanks.

Gosh, what do you do with people like this?

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