Question for believers: on which Heavenly "Day" did God create humans?

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  • adamah
    adamah

    Simple question here on Genesis chronology and how God counts heavenly days (JWs seemingly believe in a conversion factor of 'one God day is equal to 1,000 human years', based on 2nd Peter).

    Genesis 2:1-2 says this (NIV):

    1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

    2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

    Day seven was the Sabbath, the day of rest from all work, specifically from engaging in creative activities (Jews observe the Sabbath specifically BECAUSE of the words found in Genesis 2:2).

    However, God's not quite done creating things, since Genesis continues with this, on day EIGHT (8), the day AFTER the Sabbath:

    Adam and Eve

    4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

    5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth a and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams b came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man c from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    Genesis 2:7 strongly suggests that God created Adam and Eve AFTER the Sabbath.


    But wait a minute: Genesis One just told the reader that God created humans on day SIX, BEFORE the Sabbath:

    Genesis 1:26 (NIV)

    26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, a and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

    27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

    God even gave them a blessing, and food to eat:

    28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

    29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

    31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.


    So believers, which day did God create mankind? Was it Day Six or Day Eight? Did he create humans BEFORE the Sabbath day of rest, or AFTER the Sabbath?

    If you say Day Six, how do you account for Chapter 2's saying that plants hadn't yet sprung up, which contradicts Chapter 1's saying that God gave mankind and animals plants and fruit trees as food to eat?

    Let me guess: did God put mankind and animals in some kind of suspended animation (hibernation) mode, so He could take the day off and get some rest, too?

    But if you go with Day Eight, how do you account for Chapter 1's contradictory claim of God making mankind? How do you account for plants not springing forth until Day Eight? Did the animals and humans go hungry on a starvation diet for AT LEAST 1,000 years, since God didn't get around to to watering the plant seeds until AFTER the Sabbath?

    Splain, please.....

    Adam

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Sunday

  • Ding
    Ding

    Many scholars consider Genesis 2 to be a more detailed recap of Genesis 1.

  • adamah
    adamah

    Ding said-

    Many scholars consider Genesis 2 to be a more detailed recap of Genesis 1.

    So day EIGHT, then. How do these believer scholars explain the discrepancies between the accounts, and overcome the obvious practical and physiological problems (eg the need for food for animals and humans to eat while God was 'resting') mentioned above:

    But if you go with Day Eight, how do you account for Chapter 1's contradictory claim of God making mankind?

    How do you account for plants not springing forth until Day Eight?

    Did the animals and humans go hungry on a starvation diet for AT LEAST 1,000 years, since God didn't get around to to watering the plant seeds until AFTER the Sabbath?

  • Ding
    Ding

    Genesis 2 isn't talking about an eighth day. It's recapping the six days of Genesis 1.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Sunday was day 1 and 8 and 22 and so on....

    n=7x + 1

    explain the discrepancies between the accounts - Adam

    The bible is not from God. Kate xx

  • tec
    tec

    What Ding said wouldn't make it day 8, Adamah. It would just be more details into the day six creation of man.

    As for the more details, this is what the NIV states (though sometimes the NIV glosses over what might be a contradiction... but I checked the other versions and they say the same):

    When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, no shrub of the field had yet appeard on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up (there is no contriction with chapter one here); the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, (still no contradiction), but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. And the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.

    Now, there is nothing in that last bit that says that plants and shrubs did not come up along with the watered earth. It simply moves from the earth being watered... to God forming man. Since the original chapter states that vegetation and sea-dwellers arose with the water, no reason to assume that the same thing did not happen here; it is just not detailed. Goes straight to the creation of man, which is what this chapter deals with.

    All that being said, Adam was formed from the dust of the watered earth... andthen placed in the garden of eden... (the spiritual realm... and you can look at some Jewish beliefs about Gan Eden to see that it is also referred to as similar); so that all the continuing developement of the physical world can be going on at the same time. Because it is still on this 'day six' that God created the animals and such as well, which God also brings into the garden for Adam to name.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • sir82
    sir82

    It's not "day 8".

    It's 2 entirely different creation narratives.

    In the first one, God ("Elohim") does all the creating. It takes 6 days. Plants and animals come before man.

    In the 2nd one, Jehovah does all the creating. It takes just one day (actually days aren't even mentioned), and plants & animals come after man.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Jewish beliefs about Gan Eden-Tammy

    We were not taught that. But we were taught to pronounnce God's name as Jehovah in English and Yehovah in Hebrew. We were also taught the Messiah would raise the dead.

    I don't know any Jews that were taught Eden was a spiritual garden. Kate xx

  • tec
    tec

    There is more than one sect of Judaism though, right?

    Designs (Jewish... but not religious, if I am correct)... has explained about Gan Eden being the afterlife and/or paradise. Depending. Though I can see that Gan Eden is referred to as two things, a physical place where Adam and Eve were... and a spiritual place where the righteous go after. (but Adam and Eve were in the spiritual also, that I learned from my Lord)

    Here are a couple of links about it; I'm sure there are many more:

    http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/Gan-Eden-Jewish-Views-of-the-Afterlife.htm

    http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm

    It is interesting the different schools of thought.

    Peace,

    tammy

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