zound, perhaps it is along the lines of, "Quit smoking."
Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist
by DS211 243 Replies latest jw friends
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tec
Was that for me, Jgnat and Zound? That is addressed on page 8, second post from the bottom, 3rd response in the post. (sorry, i have not tried the link to a specific post thing yet)
Christ had the power to forgive sins, obviously. He also had the power to heal. That he could do the one (heal) which was HARDER to do, showed that He did have authority to do the other (forgive sins).
What are you reading differently from the account, and why?
Peace,
tammy
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jgnat
Post 15254: You still have not addressed the simple statement that you made... that Christ healed by forgiving sins. There is not one account that states such a thing.
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tec
Yes.... and?
peace,
tammy
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jgnat
Two accounts.
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zound
Tammy, I don't want to dig for it now but you said on a thread a week or so ago that the penalty for Adam and Eve sinning against god was NOT death (you were at that time defending that god was not malicious) but that the consequences of sin was growing old, getting sick and dying. (which is kind of the same thing - but nevermind that)
So why is it such a stretch for you that sin is purported to be the reason behind maladies - and Jesus forgiving sins results in healing?
And also, why does the distinction matter to you - does it have some other implication that is important?
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tec
I don't understand what you are trying to say, Jgnat.
Zound... because it IS an extrapolation; an interpretation. Because it ignores the many statements Christ made as to people being healed by their faith, and the statement he made about having felt power go out of Him. And because Adamah uses his statement to try and prove that Christ was ignorant of germs, etc. If forgiving sins is what healed people, then would that not mean then, that those who get sick (genetic diseases or otherwise) are not forgiven their sins? Because is that not an implication also?
Regardless of whether someone has their sins forgiven or not... there is still sin and death in this flesh, in this vessel, hence the reason we get old and get sick and die. Not because we are not forgiven our sins.
Hope that helps some in understanding,
Peace,
tammy
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jgnat
Well, two readers managed to "misunderstand" you simultaneously. Stop trying so hard to maintain a harmonious Christ and maybe you'll see it.
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tec
Why do you write 'misunderstand' in quotations (how did you misunderstand me?), and what do you mean by maintaining a harmonious Christ... and what do you think I will see? I mean, really, i know you like people to think for themselves or something along those lines... so you don't answer direct all the time... but I prefer not to assume your meaning. Please just tell me if you want me to put any thought to it.
Peace,
tammy
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zound
Okay, you may be right as to the distinction - I would say it's not very cut and dry - as usual, god has provided a vague and unclear message in the good book.