" the universe made itself " but--- (page 7)

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but, if you picture really strong movement in the the curved space membrane, great centrifugal,* ACCELERATING expansion would result pulling away increasingly from the source point.

Science news claims the universal expansion IS accelerating, I doubt it. How would you know , if it can not be dedected locally and we see only the past.

may be it is a trend?

* cofty might be interested that this movement along a curved path, is the 4st theory why wings generate lift.

The airflow has a curved path, and the resulting flow has an upward, lifting, centrifugal effect.

jgnat

Airflow is on a planet with air. It's the resistance of the air that allows lift. It's not centrifugal force.

We know the galaxies are accelerating away from us because of redshift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra-Deep_Field

http://xdf.ucolick.org/xdf.html

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redshift is the visual effect of the velocity of the receding galacies, and OUR movement away from them. redshift is not the CAUSE, but the result.

space has stretched with movement through time, and wave length now appear longer, redder less energetic. in other words, not only the radius from the big bang, but also the size, distance between points on/ of the space membrane has stretched. *

cofty's foils: sorry, I introduced this seeming analogie, only as an off-topic item of interest. so:

Even in the absence of air,( a fluid), if FREE particles would have a curved path(lets say through magnetism) about a wing, there would be a centrifugal upward force, even on the bottom surface. Of the 4 theories on airfoil forces, only one, the SUCTION model is strictly AIR related.

* good thing that there is still time to stretch into. aka the future.

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Can I introduce a simpler illustration of the "expansion" universal forces?

In our solar system everything would fall into the sun, no big deal, because almost all the mass of the whole is in the sun already.

It would fall, because of gravity, or as Einstein would have it, the tension or curvature of space. so

what keeps that from happening?, the ENERGY of movement the orbital velocities. and

the resulting CENTRIFUGAL forces. increase the velocity= accelerating to a higher orbit. expansion.

in the membrane cosmos model, consider all matter in orbit around the beginning. energy keeps us increasingly at a distance.

as the song said: "--from a distance--

BTW wt Writers are wrong when they identify the "SOCKETS" of earth's "foundations" as GRAVITY. the earth immidiate danger would be falling,

it is held up by ENERGY.

without gravity we would freeze to death. without dynamic energy we zizzle in the heat energy.

rmt1

I think that the conception of a reality or a physical universe without a deified first cause is a fourth spatial dimension unto itself, and, depending, sometimes, it literally, figuratively, and mathematically, cannot be conceived.

jgnat

"Science news claims the universal expansion IS accelerating, I doubt it."

So you doubt the evidence of redshift? I never said this was the cause.

Keep looking, the answer is cool.

frankiespeakin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPuhJ98VjoA

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I have not seen the evidence that the redshift, wich is real, shows that the universe is expanding MORE now,-- than in the past.

do you have a READABLE link to show me please?

How about the period of SUPER expansion, aka the INFLATIONARY time, that was needed to make the universe as isotropic as it is now, given the restraint of "c".?? space was expanding then faster than the speed of light. now it is even faster?

" --galaxies are accelerating away from us BECAUSE of redshift?-- after my sleep,

I thought of the analogy of the universe coming THROUGH the pure energy singularity, as the downsizing that a flower goes through at the seed stage, aka the "cosmic egg",

The emerging entity carries all the instructions needed to produce the beautiful bloom.

but the future is not fixed, the many variables will effect the growth. but there was a pre-seed, pre-singularity cause.

The universe is a sexy thing. glorious to the extreme.