Is life really better out of the org?

by sleepy 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    For us, it was a really difficult journey, and some of the time I wished I didn't know what I knew. But you can't go back, and "unring the bell" as they say.

    It took deprogramming, done by ourselves, and a lot of reading about cults and things that ARE true, to get to the point where we can say we are happier and MUCH better off now. It was a lifetime for both of us, of being programmed by our families and by that organization, that you can't be happy apart from it. It just is NOT true.

    It took about a year or maybe two, to get to where we are content, not being part of anything anymore. If we didn't have the reminders all the time, by seeing people that used to be our friends, and my mother who is still loyal, and lives with us, it would be easier to get on with life. Someday, it will all just be a faint memory.

    For now, I enjoy this board, and connecting with people who have gone through the same things, and helping new ones who are trying to get out. It's like therapy.

    Marilyn (aka Mulan)
    "No one can take advantage of you, without your permission." Ann Landers

  • Matty
    Matty

    Thanks Marilyn, thanks everyone, for the contributions to this thread - this has really made me think about how I feel right now, and how I might feel when I take the plunge.

    What I find difficult to comprehend now though, are the thoughts of a person who at one time was unhappy in their life, and was attracted to "the truth" and made a deliberate and conscious decision to become a Jehovah's Witness. After some time this same person decides that it isn't the truth after all and resolves to leave. They know what it's like out of the org - but do they think in a different way post JW to how they thought pre-JW?

    You see I was born to witness parents and was indoctrinated into the faith. I thought it was the truth, because I knew nothing else. I remember thinking when I was a child "What are the chances of me being born in the right religion? Quite low! ...goodness, aren't I fortunate little boy!"

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    Is life really better without my security blanket? Gees, if you have to ask the question, ya better go back..

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    Matty

    "You see I was born to witness parents and was indoctrinated into the faith. I thought it was the truth, because I knew nothing else. I remember thinking when I was a child "What are the chances of me being born in the right religion? Quite low! ...goodness, aren't I fortunate little boy!"

    Thats exactly what I used to think.
    Now I think "what are the chances of being born into the most crakpot religion around?Quite low....bugger!

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Sleepy,

    We all had emotional triggers carefully welded to our personalities by the WTS. With some people, like Mulan, over many decades. I think that she and her family have done remarkably well to have settled themselves into their own personal philosophy so quickly, two years after all, is only twenty-four months.

    These implanted emotional triggers fire when certain situations are met, a terrible news report, an outrageous act of brutality, an earthquake, morality issues, issues of a purposeful life, even the word 'religion', United Nations etc. produce an emotional response in us.

    When a person leaves the WTS these triggers are still there, deeply implanted and in many cases might never actually disappear, but they do need to be controlled.

    As XJW's we find ourselves moving from a world of absolutes to a realization that we now have to struggle, like mankind has had to for thousands of years with the same basic questions of human identity that actually no person has ever been able to answer satisfactorily. No longer do we live in the absolute world of right and wrong, Saint and sinner that the WTS built around us. It is very hard coming to terms with abstractions when you have lived in a world of steel and rock, philosophically speaking.

    The WTS sneer at 'apostates' calling them 'confused' and unable to offer anybody any real spiritual direction once they leave the fold. They accuse them of becoming immoral, dropping their standards, wallowing in vulgarity, hopeless and faithless, and many do go through periods where they fit the WTS negative descriptions perfectly. Some stay at that stage, some move on to other religions, some to a Godless life, some shrug their shoulders a just live. In this XJW’s are no different than the countless generations of humans that lived before them.

    What has happened is that we have all become people again, plain and simple. Many have to re-discover their humanity, chart their own course, grapple with their own demons, rather than like children be kept in suspended hibernation emotionally, by spoon-fed philosophies.

    My own journey has led me to places that frankly I did not want to go to, but as Willie The Shake wrote - ‘To thine own self be true’. I would personally prefer a life of suffering without delusion, than comfort and joy in a sterile wilderness of attaché cases, manufactured hope and practiced smiles.

    Best regards - HS

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Happiness depends on a lot of different things. However, I know that if I tried to be a diligent Witness today, with what I know now, I would be thoroughly miserable.

    When you're out, you have freedom. If you can handle freedom and maximize it, you will be happier.

    Tonight I am going to a chess club with my son. What a great way to spend a weekday evening.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : Is the witness way of life really that bad?

    What "way of life" is that? After all, they ARE in a Cult.

    Cults forbid thinking. Without original thought one has no life by most accepted standards. The only real difference between dubs and someone braindead in a hospital bed is that dubs can still walk around. Big deal!

    Farkel

  • Liberty
    Liberty

    Hi Sleepy,

    I don't think I've ever blown my Watchtower experience out of proportion. There is no doubt in my mind that life is much better outside of the Society. The Watchtower Society is a thought control cult that puts high pressure on people to do things they normally wouldn't do. Who else but a dangerous cult would discourage young people from getting a good education and career, discourage couples from getting married and having children, punish people for having life saving surgery (blood transfusions/organ transplants), constantly tell its followers lies, cause people to cruelly shun friends and relatives for minor or pure fantasy infractions, control what adults may read watch say or do in private, or telling generations of people they will never grow old and die when (to their shock and amazment) they really do grow old and die anyway? This is just a short list of the control the Society has had over people's lives. Living this way is counter to a healthy life as it takes a toll on your mental as well as your physical well being.

    Most normal people will be happier without this kind of pressure in their lives. Especially since it serves no real purpose because the foundation of the whole JW system is pure fantasy. Is the "End of the World" really imminent? Is Jehovah really directing the Watchtower Society through His active spirit? Did Jesus really start ruling "invisibly" in 1914? Does God really care if you perform oral sex with your spouse or if you need a blood transfusion? Does God really want you to sell magazines? A little common sense and research quickly shows that the whole JW philosophy is bogus through and through. Not living this lie is 100% better on even my worst day as a "worldly" person than in my life under the Watchtower's thumb.

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    Happiness comes from within. No one or nothing can bring you true happiness but yourself.

    Will

    "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
    Mark Twain

  • MegaDude
    MegaDude

    I agree with Naeblis. It depends what you do with your life after the Borg as to whether your life will be better or not

    I enjoy my life now that I'm an Ex. I enjoy the more time I have to pursue what pleases me and what is important to me. I enjoy not being surrounded by JW zombies who are filled with fear. I enjoy not selling literature door to door as I did for many years.

    From my experience, those who go back never do so because they think it's the truth. It's usually for a spouse or family. The other scenario is they left the JWs and basically screwed up their life. They pursued all the drugs, sex and partying they could. Then one day they woke up and said, "Oh my. My life is crap just like the Watchtower said! I need to go back to the JWs."

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