Conversation-stopper STOPPERS needed!

by DS211 29 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Legacy
    Legacy

    Hi,

    Here's one that I always comment on, on this site...."If this was not God's organization, would you still stay & if so, do you stay because it is" ?

    I find whenever I talk to witnesses all they say is...THIS IS THE TRUTH & THIS IS GOD'S ORGANIZATION...it's not the doctrine, it's not anything we think it is...it's the fact that they believe it's God's Mouthpiece. The org. gives you a sense of belonging & being chosen. That's most of their foundation. There is a certain type that is attracted to this type of worship...I can't put my finger on it as of yet, but it's coming into view...Many have given up on mostly everything & everybody, so the Org. is all they have, & there is nothing that can happen to move them. They know about the child abuse, they know about the UN, the know about Bethel, they know that their doctrine changes, they know some get DF'd & some just get a slap on the wrist...they know all this but what keeps them there is, This is their world & they gave up all to belong to the org. There are so many that you can say, but to me this is their foundation & their claim to fame...I'm just saying.

    Legacy

  • bohm
    bohm

    DS211: Here is an article on how to plant ideas in peoples heads: http://www.lifehacker.co.in/life/How-to-Plant-Ideas-in-Someones-Mind/articleshow/24838813.cms

    I have not tried the ideas myself, but it seems like interesting advice:

    Getting someone to want to do something can be tough if you know they're not going to want to do it, so you need to make them believe it was their idea. This is a common instruction, especially for salespeople, but it's much easier said than done. You have to look at planting ideas in the same way you'd look at solving a mystery. Slowly but surely you offer the target a series of clues until the obvious conclusion is the one you want. The key is to be patient, because if you rush through your "clues" it will be obvious. If you take it slow, the idea will form naturally in their mind all by itself.

    Let's say you're trying to get your friend to eat healthier food. This is a good aim, but you've got a tough enemy: they're addicted to the Colonel and need a bucket of fried chicken at least once a day. Out of concern you tell them to eat healthier. They either think that's a good idea and then never do anything or just tell you to stop nagging them. For them to realize what they're doing to their body, they need to have an epiphany and you can make that happen by talking around the issue.

    To do this you need to be very clever and very subtle, otherwise it will be obvious. You can't just say "oh, I read today that fried chicken is killing 10 million children in Arkansas every year" because that's a load of crap and comes with an incredibly obvious motivation for saying it. If chicken is the target, you need to make chicken seem really unappealing. Next time you sneeze, make a joke about coming down with the avian flu. When you're ordering at a restaurant together, verbally convey your decision to order something other than chicken because you just learned how most chicken is processed by restaurants. When you've done enough of these things-and, again, with enough space between them so that it doesn't seem like odd behavior-you can start being a little more aggressive and stop going with your friend to get fried chicken. You can also take proactive steps to improve your own health and tell your friend 1) what you're doing, and 2) how well it's working for you. After a few weeks, if your friend hasn't decided to reconsider his or her position on frequent fried chicken, you can casually mention it and they should be much more open to having a real discussion.

    This approach could be taken where you begin to watch programs about other religions (like mormons and amish) and make comments like they should just google their religion, that you wonder why they never thought about studying their religion more when the bible tell us to examine what we believe and so on.

    General good advice is (as ABibleStudent) said to make long pauses when you wait for her to answer. People hate silence and will try to fill it. Just make it seem like you are thinking about it as well. In a similar fashion, talk very slowly. Take time for yourself to think during your conversation and formulate what you say as your own speculation and open questions rather than direct statement.

    Ideally you should end the conversation before she reach for a conversation stopper, never try to continue if you feel she is resisting your line of thought and want you to stop (this can be very, very hard to do). Also be aware you might feel you are making very good progress one day, and the next she is backsliding and dont want to talk at all -- just leave the subject and wait.

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    marking! Great thread.

  • DS211
    DS211

    i will be careful with this bohm...as long as its true i dont have any issues i just dont want to steep to the alWT level and control my wifes brain (ha if thats even possible to control a woman) :-) thanks for the info

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Take it sloooow

    Resist the urge to do anything that the WT has warned her to be on the watch for. Especially avoid overload.

    Ask a question that is important to her, not you, then let it fester on it's own without any distractions from you.

  • DS211
    DS211

    Awesome. Thanks! Please more ideas haha for all those lurkers or ones trying to get someone out!

    I usually know when somethings right because 1. Its contrary to what i wanna do...and 2. Its tough.

    cheers!

  • Captain Blithering
    Captain Blithering

    Man ALIVE this is a good thread. Thanks to everyone for being bothered to type your responses out, this stuff is PURE GOLD!

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    My first reaction is if you are hearing a conversation stopper, "But I know it is the Truth", or "Wait on Jehovah", or "Where else would we go?", you've triggered the cult response and it is time to back off. Others have pointed this out as well.

    A Witness who stops talking is thinking, which is good.

    You can reawaken her natural personality by starting with "Do you really think...", or, "You always say (something non-witnessy)....", or, "Put yourself in their(my) shoes for a moment..."

    As in,

    "Do you really think the Joneses next door are slated for destruction? Really?"

    "Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. When they decorate a tree, cook a turkey, and give gifts to their children, do you really think they are doing so as slaves to some sort of evil force?"

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I might mention that when hubby comes back from a meeting all Witness-y and judgemental, I let him talk. I slowly cross my eyes, make my face go slack and if I can manage it, let a little drool pool on the side of my mouth. With a glassy-eyed stare, I agree with him.

    When he gets real, I snap back to my real self.

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse

    I am getting pretty good at the subconcious, sneaky seed planting. It's the being silent after a question that sems so hard for me to do. I must bite my tounge!!! You are so very correct the silence is golden and WILL be productive.

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