Do you look like the apostate they warned you about?

by Angus Beef 43 Replies latest jw experiences

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    The actual definition of the word was posted earlier--changing your beliefs.

    The wts, much like the Mormon church, literally demonizes the word. This is just their own need to control others.

    October 1 WT 1909: "They seem inoculated with madness, Satanic hydrophobia [rabies]. Some of them smite us and then claim that we did the smiting. They are ready to say and write contemptible falsities and to stoop to do meanness."

    factnet: Coercive Mind Control Tactics...How Do They Work?

    The tactics used to create undue psychological and social influence, often by means involving anxiety and stress, fall into seven main categories.

    TACTIC 1

    Increase suggestibility and "soften up" the individual through specific hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as:Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills, Excessive exact repetition of routine activities, Sleep restriction and/or Nutritional restriction.

    TACTIC 2

    Establish control over the person's social environment, time and sources of social support by a system of often-excessive rewards and punishments. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved attitudes. Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered.

    TACTIC 3

    Prohibit disconfirming information and non supporting opinions in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An "in-group" language is usually constructed.

    TACTIC 4

    Make the person re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and prior conduct in negative ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject's basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control and defense mechanisms. The subject is guided to reinterpret his or her life's history and adopt a new version of causality.

    TACTIC 5

    Create a sense of powerlessness by subjecting the person to intense and frequent actions and situations which undermine the person's confidence in himself and his judgment.

    TACTIC 6

    Create strong aversive emotional arousals in the subject by use of nonphysical punishments such as intense humiliation, loss of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt, anxiety, manipulation and other techniques.

    TACTIC 7

    Intimidate the person with the force of group-sanctioned secular psychological threats. For example, it may be suggested or implied that failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequences such as physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.

  • LivingTheDream
    LivingTheDream

    Angus Beef,

    When you "miss those meetings" or perhaps miss the JW people you've left behind, you are actually experiencing Stockholmn Syndrome. I experienced it myself. This is often associated with the emotional “bonding” with captors (like in a hostage situation or a kidnapping) but it can exist in any abusive situations such as:

    • Abused Children
    • Battered/Abused Women
    • Prisoners of War
    • Cult Members
    • Incest Victims
    • Criminal Hostage Situations
    • Concentration Camp Prisoners
    • Controlling/Intimidating Relationships

    This "apostate" labeling is just another tactic to keep you in their clutches. Don't fall for it and don't worry about it. It has no power that you don't give it.

    Personally, I did the "slow nonconfrontational fade" myself. This allows me to keep in contact with the JWs in my life on my own terms. I'm meeting an old JW friend this weekend for beers for example. I'll be "witnessing" to him by dropping subtle hints and clues about his own hostage situation he doesn't realize he's in. If I get too flagrant about my feelings, it will spook him. I care about these people so I don't want to make them run away. I know for example he's very curious as to why I'm so happy with my "worldly" wife and my "worldly" friends and my travel intensive "wordly" job. How could I possibly be happy when I'm so "weak in the Truth"?

    Well, I want to give him a chance to find out and getting in his face and telling him he's in a cult is not the way to do it. It wouldn't have worked for me when I was in.

    Brock Talon

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I guess I do. How cool! I've been out for decades so I find the term so funny. There is arrogance in the usage. Who the hell ever gave them authority over anyone? If Jesus were present, we would see him with our eyes or brains. Some of us here do see Him. My JW upbringing was a bit atypical. My father and uncles were Bethelites when it was very small. Local Witnesses knew each other well. My relatives never had a good word to say about the Bethel crowd. We had generational credentials so we felt we could appeal any KH decision. I don't know if we could have. Let us say my family believe we could. I grew up hearing about the screw ups. I am certain that if anyone is employed in any religion, they hear nasty stuff.

    My teen years were important to me. I was dragged to KH but I read the Village Voice and the New York Times religiously. When a book was banned and quite a few were, I took the bus to a campus book store and read the banned book. The line of people outside the store was incredible. No force could keep me away from rock'n'roll. I protested. John Lennon and Bobby Dylan were important to me. So I was not the kind to meekly sit in KH. I had so many things to do. So many books to read. Campuses to visit. I was plopped against my will in the KH and pinched. Meetings felt as tho they lasted centuries. I wanted to screech my head off. In fact, I thought about it frequently. The only thing that stopped me was I believed the brothers would have me arrested. I know the number of ceiling tiles, the makeup the sisters wore, and every grammatical and reading comprehension mistake the brothers made. They could have kept a teachers union employed for centuries. My experience could be atypical.

    I love the term. It sounds so wicked, cosmpolitan, and wordly. A bit like Chanel. The term evokes NY and Paris sophistication. Of course, when viewed in a history timeline, the Witnesses are the apostates.

  • JakeM2012
    JakeM2012

    Yes, I agree with Terry saying, "I'm so normal-looking I make JW's look rough-edged!"

    Here's are a few selfies from my apostate Iphone of me and my brother. I have heard that other apostates love beards! and gums! I don't know why the brothers and the beautiful sisters in heels ignore me at the Kingdom Hall, but I feel absolutely ostrasized. I was thinking of meeting with the elders to re-activate my publisher status so I could date some younger sisters.

    old man

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    I don't care what word they use to describe me.

    I was "in" for thirty years-they took thirty years of my life and when I finally realized they were not "the truth," I left, went to college, and now at sixty-two look like a fifth grade teacher. No one at the elementary school runs away when they see me coming, so there....

  • joe134cd
    joe134cd

    I didn't realize there was an apostate look. Please do tell

  • titch
    titch

    I dont think that I look like a member of the so-called "evil slave class". Anyway, thinking about the term "apostate", Ive thought about some other, different nomenclatures, if a label is to be used. How about "Transformationist". That's right, I have---and you have---made a "transformation"---from one bellief structure, belief system---to a different belief structure or belief system. Thus, a "Transformationist.". Or, how about this: A Consciencioius Objector. If you are a person, whose conscience no longer allows you, permits you, to abide by the belief system of the Witnesses, then you are a Consciencious Objector. Your own conscience objects to the teachings of the JWs. So, those are two ways of thinking of yourself, if you want to use a "label." Best Regards, everyone. :0

    Titch

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I love the term apostate. They are so much about drama with their Bible prophecies. Well, I shocked them with worn bell bottom blue jeans, and love beads with peace symbols from Greenwich Village. Besides the jeans, I wore a funky old raccoon coat. I had an English university scarf. My clothes were so cool that my mom's co-worker used to borrow them to wear. She smoked cigarettes while she waited for her boyfriend to arrive. The word at the KH was that I was smoking cigarettes! I would never smoke cigarettes. We had a spy on my block.

    Oh, I forgot my hair cut. It was a shag cut.

    Yes, even today I reek of Satan. Watch out, here she comes. Oh, the horror of being an apostate. Mild, mannered lawyer by day, demon spawn at night. Boo!

  • mrquik
    mrquik

    Come on Terry, I know your hiding a pitchfork under that suit.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    I still remember that early fade stage. Could they tell what I was thinking by looking at me? So I tried to keep my mouth shut and just think. When I was about at your stage, I would go to the meetings and look bored, sad, arrive just as it was starting and leave soon after. I used work and fatigue as an excuse. Once I'd moved away and stopped attending, I was clearly more cheerful and energetic... and prepared for the difficult conversations with my parents that followed. For most of the congregation, I didn't contact them and they didn't contact me.'

    Do I look like the kind of person that JWs demonize as apostates? Nope. I look pretty much the same... just a lot happier.

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