FHN,
Thanks for your lovely post. Lurkers need to see our perspective too so they can decide which way to go themselves. Love Kate xx
Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?
by KateWild 112 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Bart Belteshassur
Sam, at what level did you study chemistry and did you specialise and any of the more interesting areas, such as surface or colliod?
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KateWild
BB,
yes I did do all the inorganic chemistry too, I really enjoyed colloid chemistry, my lecturer was fab too. But as a chemical analyst I specialised in the nuclear industry mainly and some pharmaceutical companies. I worked for Unilever and did some work with surfanctants and gels, but that was early on in my career.
What do you do BB?
Sam xx
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adamah
Let's get back to chemistry?
Kate, the carbon atom offers plentiful examples of complex molecular forms which arise spontaneously, due to the bonding properties of the carbon atom. Eg fullerenes, which contain multiple atoms (up to 100 or more) which are known to spontaneously assemble into spherical shapes, due to the greater stability that assuming the configuration provides the structure overall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullerene
In fact, those creationists who claim complexity cannot spontaneously arise often want to overlook such structures as fullerenes and carbon nanotubes, since it undermines their claim that every thing that assumes a shape (say, of a soccer ball) requires a designer. Nope: sometimes molecules instead reflect the bonding properties of the atoms themselves, where a number of molecules will assume a form that reflects such properties of the individual atoms and molecules at the macroscopic (i.e. observable) level.
We live in a 3-dimensional universe, so such structures will spontaneously self-assemble, due to the properties of the atoms.
And getting back to the same question you failed to answer in another thread, HOW would you expect carbon atoms to behave and interact any differently with each other, if God didn't exist?
Would fullerenes NOT exist, since you're claiming complexity requires an intelligent creator?
Adam
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KateWild
Adam,
Welcome, thank you for your structure of a fullerene. That is wonderful and it's new to me. But clearly makes me think of the order and unity and structure of organic chemistry in a new religious way. Learning this reminds me of an intelligent creator and fills me with emotion and pleasure. Thank you Adam.
However it still does not prove there is no intelligent creator, it is more evidence that the probability is even greater for one now.
Sam xx
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KateWild
And getting back to the same question you failed to answer in another thread, HOW would you expect carbon atoms to behave and interact any differently with each other, if God didn't exist?-Adam
I did here
Would fullerenes NOT exist, since you're claiming complexity requires an intelligent creator? - Adam
I am not claiming this. I am just more religious than you Adam. Love Sam xx
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adamah
Kate said-
Welcome, thank you for your structure of a fullerene. That is wonderful and it's new to me.
Holy Hades, Kate? You're trolling again, right?
Fullerenes were covered in my freshman gen chem course back in the 1980's (they were heavily-researched in the 1960s, known to result from vaporization of graphites and combustion of hydrocarbons, hence easily produced). You're telling me you've never heard of fullerenes before?
Gotta ask then: did you actually earn a chemistry degree, or only took it in high school?
BTW, you continue to misquote Einstein words out of context, despite others repeatedly having explained to you that Einstein wasn't speaking of mainstream "religion" but to his his odd "cosmic religion". So your continued misquoting of his words only confirms your intellectually-dishonest nature believer who thinks lying for God is A-OK.
You speak of probabilities, too: care to explain your method of how you derived the probabilities for God's existence, or is this more pulling claims out of your backside orifice based on what feels right to you (emotions)?
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prologos
On a more serious level, Carbon and its properties did not always exist, now even airplanes, cars have carbon components.
imagine a car company comes up with a 99.9 percent carbon based car, light, strong, self repairing, since there is such a thing, for some time, as Carbon Copies, the car copies itself, starting from just one litlle stem-carbon mini (not cooper) ball.
But the Car company refuses the designer of the year award. ??? why
there is no designer, the car designed itself.
The creator question goes back further than the hex, the helix, of course it is all explainable by action of build-in properties.
but at least we have the build building.
and the dream-car would look and work the same if the designer would ever step forward or not.
Just because THE DESIGNER IS ABOVE OUR CEREMONIES, celebrate the design anyway please.
and the carbon based dream car would look and work the same, just fine wether the manufacturer ever stepped forward to claim carbon-copy-rights or not.
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cantleave
thank you for your structure of a fullerene. That is wonderful and it's new to me.
REALLY????????
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besty
A journalist who has been assigned to interview lottery winners may come to feel that some special providence has been at work on their behalf, but he should keep in mind the much larger number of lottery players whom he is not interviewing because they haven't won anything. Thus, to judge whether our lives show evidence for a benevolent designer, we have not only to ask whether life is better than would be expected in any case from what we know about natural selection, but we need also to take into account the bias introduced by the fact that it is we who are thinking about the problem.
